WindyCity Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 The improvements on offense really have to come from the guys playing. Replacing Long is the only obvious talent upgrade the Bears can make. Rich Campbell was on the Score and he asked "why do we assume that improvement will come this season?" If it was coming why has it not happened. If Mitch was going to take a step why wasn't it obvious against GB or Denver and why do we assume it will happen now that he is injured? If Leno was going to improve why did he wait 5 weeks? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, WindyCity said: The improvements on offense really have to come from the guys playing. Replacing Long is the only obvious talent upgrade the Bears can make. Rich Campbell was on the Score and he asked "why do we assume that improvement will come this season?" If it was coming why has it not happened. If Mitch was going to take a step why wasn't it obvious against GB or Denver and why do we assume it will happen now that he is injured? If Leno was going to improve why did he wait 5 weeks? I wouldn't say obvious talent upgrade when Long is one of our more naturally talented OL...he just clearly is not the same physical presence he once was. It will be interesting to see how the line shakes out in practice next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, WindyCity said: The improvements on offense really have to come from the guys playing. Replacing Long is the only obvious talent upgrade the Bears can make. Rich Campbell was on the Score and he asked "why do we assume that improvement will come this season?" If it was coming why has it not happened. If Mitch was going to take a step why wasn't it obvious against GB or Denver and why do we assume it will happen now that he is injured? If Leno was going to improve why did he wait 5 weeks? Well Leno can change his hand placements so he isn't getting called for holdings and we can improve Long's slot (no guarantee) that could make a difference. 1) There have been very few open running lanes this year. 2) There have been multiple free runners or barely impeded runners at QB. If either one of those improve that can mean successful plays which compound on themselves across board. More first downs, more time of possession, more defensive rest, more opportunities for big plays .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, dll2000 said: Well Leno can change his hand placements so he isn't getting called for holdings and we can improve Long's slot (no guarantee) that could make a difference. 1) There have been very few open running lanes this year. 2) There have been multiple free runners or barely impeded runners at QB. If either one of those improve that can mean successful plays which compound on themselves across board. More first downs, more time of possession, more defensive rest, more opportunities for big plays .... The thing is that although Leno was never an all-pro type of talent he has shown in the past he can be good enough to handle pressure at the LT spot. Something happened this past off season with him. Maybe he didn't train as hard and/or got complacent and like Windy mentioned he looks like he got a little too beefy and does not look like he's in optimal playing shape, nor does most of the o-line. While a lot of this falls on the players themselves I am looking at the coaching here. They have to do a better of getting these guys conditioned. If I am Nagy/Hiestand I am making these guys run wind sprints after every practice until they show they are in tip top shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagabears Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 hours ago, topwop1 said: I wouldn't say obvious talent upgrade when Long is one of our more naturally talented OL...he just clearly is not the same physical presence he once was. It will be interesting to see how the line shakes out in practice next week. More statistical evidence that Long is on a steep and quick decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 19 hours ago, topwop1 said: I wouldn't say obvious talent upgrade when Long is one of our more naturally talented OL...he just clearly is not the same physical presence he once was. It will be interesting to see how the line shakes out in practice next week. Honestly, at 35 I could wander out there and be more of a speed bump. His play has been horrendous, a live body would be an upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 17 hours ago, topwop1 said: The thing is that although Leno was never an all-pro type of talent he has shown in the past he can be good enough to handle pressure at the LT spot. Something happened this past off season with him. Maybe he didn't train as hard and/or got complacent and like Windy mentioned he looks like he got a little too beefy and does not look like he's in optimal playing shape, nor does most of the o-line. While a lot of this falls on the players themselves I am looking at the coaching here. They have to do a better of getting these guys conditioned. If I am Nagy/Hiestand I am making these guys run wind sprints after every practice until they show they are in tip top shape. Leno's feet have been horrendous in the run game. He has not base and he is trying to cut guys off by stepping underneath himself and gaining no ground, that will never work and he is forced to hold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 8 hours ago, WindyCity said: Leno's feet have been horrendous in the run game. He has not base and he is trying to cut guys off by stepping underneath himself and gaining no ground, that will never work and he is forced to hold. He isn't even acting like he is aware of the play. On one sweep (I think Patterson's) he just had to step forward and he could have walled off the LB after he took a false step inside, but instead he waddled inside and then was completely unable to touch his guy - who made the play. He has been garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I think you start to give Lucas or Bars reps with the 1s in practice. He should have been pulled from the Raiders game. You have to get another guy ready and let Leno know that you are serious about competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 On 10/10/2019 at 2:50 PM, malagabears said: More statistical evidence that Long is on a steep and quick decline. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Heinz D. said: Because you don't see Long listed? He's listed at 67 below Demby. Or because there might be assignments they can't see that might be blamed on him incorrectly? I'm confused on how you're confused. Lol Edited October 12, 2019 by Sugashane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 45 minutes ago, Sugashane said: Because you don't see Long listed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafreak Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkwdw13 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: Well then click on the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Maybe the list should've showed Long and then it would've been less confusing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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