Kyle Long likely to be placed on IR

[Damikeeeee]

If he retired today I wouldn't be shocked or blame him. 

[WindyCity]

Coward getting the 1st team reps at RG

This is the right move. He has the upside, power, and athletic ability to possibly develop into something by the end of the year.

There will be some rough patches, but there is a decent chance he is better than Larsen once he gets a couple of starts under his belt.

His power is going to be a welcome upgrade in the run game. Long was consistently driven back into the backfield.

[Nads786]

3 minutes ago, WindyCity said:

Coward getting the 1st team reps at RG

This is the right move. He has the upside, power, and athletic ability to possibly develop into something by the end of the year.

There will be some rough patches, but there is a decent chance he is better than Larsen once he gets a couple of starts under his belt.

His power is going to be a welcome upgrade in the run game. Long was consistently driven back into the backfield.

I 100% agree. Long no longer had the physical ability to play the position, which is ironic because he was such a freak in his earlier years. If Coward can give us some push and Daniels and Whitehair can start playing like their capable we can have a competent rush game. I'm hoping Leno can stop regressing and actually play at 80% of last year. If we can get a running game going we can really change the narrative of this offense and this season.

We need to be 4-2 and in the hunt hoping for a decisive showdown in Green Bay.  

[WindyCity]

https://twitter.com/olin_kreutz/status/1180165676604051461

 

https://twitter.com/Bearlissimo1/status/1178639838230261761

https://twitter.com/kdthompson5/status/1183493715534503936

 

We just have not seen this level of physicality from anyone.

Edited October 15, 2019 by WindyCity

[abstract_thought]

If Coward can improve the right side it may be possible to scheme around Leno's incompetence.

[dll2000]

On 10/15/2019 at 9:36 AM, WindyCity said:

Coward getting the 1st team reps at RG

This is the right move. He has the upside, power, and athletic ability to possibly develop into something by the end of the year.

There will be some rough patches, but there is a decent chance he is better than Larsen once he gets a couple of starts under his belt.

His power is going to be a welcome upgrade in the run game. Long was consistently driven back into the backfield.

Yes, but here is where I have the problem with way Bears handle o linemen.  Especially last 2 years.  

Daniels was always supposed to be center, but they kept him at guard for a year  and he is struggling this year at center.  

Whitehair was supposed to be guard and back up tackle, but they play him at center.

Coward who is obviously better suited to guard than tackle spent two years getting very few reps at guard after a position change.  

Bars who is potentially a good tackle got majority of his reps at guard this year.  

Reps matter.  They matter a lot.   Bears waste so many of them or they have lately.  And they are paying for it. Dearly.  

Back to Daniels at guard last year.  I said generally this when they made the decision:

Would he have struggled at center last year out of the gate?   Yeah, probably, but rip off the band aid.   But he can't make the line calls!   So what?!? If that's true, have the bloody guard make the line calls if he can't do it.   There is no rule that center has to make the call.  QB can make it (and often does), guard can make it, FB can make it, whatever, who ever.   Like saying only the MLB can call the defense.  Why not the safety?  Why not WLB?   It makes no sense.   It makes sense from stand point that in some schemes there is a domino effect based on a combo call that radiates from center out, but guard can still make that call and domino still works.  Some O line schemes even radiate from tackle back in and across.   NFL doesn't use those combo call schemes much at all anyway, most of time it's just identifying the bloody Mike which tells everyone else their assignment.  It's just a starting point for combo.  So its Mike, slide left or right based on what D is doing.  

You can pick literally anyone on offense who can see the defensive front to make a line call or identify the Mike.  Basically anyone but a WR because they can't see it and can't be heard.  

People get stuck in their bloody boxes.

 

 

 

[dll2000]

I had same problem with not playing MT out of the gate.  

Wasted time.  Would have been wasted with that staff anyway, but point stands. 

MT got barely any reps in camp or practice until he started several games into his rookie year.

But Mahomes he sat.  Yeah, so what.  He probably would have been even better with the reps.

Reps don't make you worse unless you are behind a horrid O line and under constant fire and develop bad habits.

 

[soulman]

On 10/16/2019 at 12:15 PM, dll2000 said:

I had same problem with not playing MT out of the gate.  

Wasted time.  Would have been wasted with that staff anyway, but point stands. 

MT got barely any reps in camp or practice until he started several games into his rookie year.

But Mahomes he sat.  Yeah, so what.  He probably would have been even better with the reps.

Reps don't make you worse unless you are behind a horrid O line and under constant fire and develop bad habits.

 

Which is why IMHO Mitch needs to be sat down right now and work needs to be done helping him get this offense down well enough so that can use his instincts better and get it to flow and make some plays.  They're out there but the combination of his faltering mechanics and poor decision making are not helping him or the offense.

I'll say it again.  He was by far the rawest college QB of the top three and a kid who was gonna need to be schooled a bit on becoming a confident top NFL QB and IMHO we have yet to do that so also IMHO now is the time for that or we run the risk that his continued failures will eliminate any chance he'll ever have to become a franchise QB.

I would have thought by now we'd have learned how NOT to keep screwing up our QB prospects but have we?

[Sugashane]

On 10/16/2019 at 1:15 PM, dll2000 said:

 

But Mahomes he sat.  Yeah, so what.  He probably would have been even better with the reps.

Agreed, but to add to that it took all of Tru's time in college and 2 years in the NFL to ALMOST have As many passes as what Mahomes threw in college alone. That's a massive amount of experience lost out on, and it took him that 2nd year to throw more in total than Watson did just in college too. 

Did Mahomes have a spread out system that usually fails? Yes, but he was asked to do way more than those QBs usually are asked in Air Raids. This wasn't firing the ball 10 yards and the WRs making guys miss, he was asked to do late developing routes, option routes based on coverage and DB leverage, he was throwing WRs open, etc. He wasn't in a Colt Brennan role, he was carrying a crap team with little talent around him. He didn't have Mike Evans to have it to like Manziel, he had Coutee and one year had Jakeem Grant. Other than that he was throwing to scrubs by the handful. 

I think that helped him a lot because he learned to make difficult throws because he had little help and no one was good enough to lock onto one receiver. He HAD to score because if they only scored 35 they'd likely lose. Reid had all the talent to work with, he just had to add a running game and show him he could make easier plays now.

Edited October 21, 2019 by Sugashane

[abstract_thought]

Nothing about Pace’s approach to MT made any sense. He retained John Fox, a guy going into the last year of his contract with no history of developing QBs. He then gave Fox a veteran option in Mike Glennon who had little interest in mentoring MT.

After these decisions he drafted one of the least experienced 1st round QBs in history, a guy who needed to play as much football as possible with as much organizational continuity as possible to have any chance.