LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, NateDawg said: In fairness, it’s hard to play quarterback with a collapsed pocket on virtually every passing play. I’m not sure about Baker Mayfield yet, I need to see more. But I haven’t given up on that or Freddie Kitchens at this early stage and I think I will have a pretty good idea of what we have next year after some of these weaknesses are shored up and there’s a little more experience for both of these guys. I’m more confident in Baker than Freddie. Give Baker a clean pocket and he’ll shed you. I’m not sure Freddie is to the same comparable point yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I’m more confident in Baker than Freddie. Give Baker a clean pocket and he’ll shed you. I’m not sure Freddie is to the same comparable point yet. I agree but I personally don't see either as a lost cause or a reason to hate on either of them. Neither have been perfect but with a competent offensive line I think we'd see a different offense and probably 8 wins right now. I don't hate Dorsey for that either, I thought Hubbard would be average and hoped Robinson would too and how hard would it be to replace a guard when you just drafted one in the 30s the previous year. Obviously things haven't worked, we can't run the offense we wanted and the defense hasn't been able to attack with leads. The game plan failed. We've got things to fix in all phases but everything is fixable. This isn't Hue Jackson who refuses to adjust and learn. I would be tempted to try guys off of the street on our line next week though. How much worse could it be? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonanza23 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, NateDawg said: In fairness, it’s hard to play quarterback with a collapsed pocket on virtually every passing play. I’m not sure about Baker Mayfield yet, I need to see more. But I haven’t given up on that or Freddie Kitchens at this early stage and I think I will have a pretty good idea of what we have next year after some of these weaknesses are shored up and there’s a little more experience for both of these guys. Well you need to give up on Baker. Just save yourself the heartache. He runs into sacks, he doesn’t want to be a pocket qb or a running qb. He can’t/doesn’t read defenses, he’s too short, loves making commercials. Can’t decide if he wants a full on beard, fu man choo, pedo mustache, goatee or baby clean shave. Oh and he forgets a straw for his wife! #lostcauseyoubigdummy 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Just now, Thomas5737 said: I agree but I personally don't see either as a lost cause or a reason to hate on either of them. Neither have been perfect but with a competent offensive line I think we'd see a different offense and probably 8 wins right now. I don't hate Dorsey for that either, I thought Hubbard would be average and hoped Robinson would too and how hard would it be to replace a guard when you just drafted one in the 30s the previous year. Obviously things haven't worked, we can't run the offense we wanted and the defense hasn't been able to attack with leads. The game plan failed. We've got things to fix in all phases but everything is fixable. This isn't Hue Jackson who refuses to adjust and learn. I would be tempted to try guys off of the street on our line next week though. How much worse could it be? No, I agree neither are lost causes. Tweak the roster, bolster the OL and keep building an identity and continuity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonanza23 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I’m more confident in Baker than Freddie. Give Baker a clean pocket and he’ll shed you. I’m not sure Freddie is to the same comparable point yet. Yessir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonanza23 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Just now, LETSGOBROWNIES said: No, I agree neither are lost causes. Tweak the roster, bolster the OL and keep building an identity and continuity. Get me two damned tackles and this offense is a damned juggernaut 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDawg Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 This is going to be an epic off-season. When they make a statement that Freddie kitchens will be back, this forum is going to be a lot of fun. I am going to enjoy it a lot. PS I’ll be there watching when he and Baker hoist that trophy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsDog23 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 https://youtu.be/dx8nXTjEqhI 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 16 hours ago, Bonanza23 said: Get me two damned tackles and this offense is a damned juggernaut We put up 13 points yesterday the only team we’ve actually looked decent against is Miami who are injured for real Freddie is not a coach that adds value simple as that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 1 hour ago, brownie man said: We put up 13 points yesterday the only team we’ve actually looked decent against is Miami who are injured for real Freddie is not a coach that adds value simple as that We also blew out the SB favorites... Even though this season hasn't went well that game should be remembered. Hopefully we do it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: We also blew out the SB favorites... Even though this season hasn't went well that game should be remembered. Hopefully we do it again. Nick Chubb went for like 300 yards and Brandon Williams probably their best defensive player was out Freddie didn’t do anything to where I thought he actually coached we’ll Chubb just absolutely dominated another team who didn’t have their full roster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 2 hours ago, brownie man said: Nick Chubb went for like 300 yards and Brandon Williams probably their best defensive player was out Freddie didn’t do anything to where I thought he actually coached we’ll Chubb just absolutely dominated another team who didn’t have their full roster Baker averaged 11.4 yards per pass attempt. Passed for 342 yards. Browns had 135 more yards on 6 fewer plays. Chubb had a great game, 165 yards rushing (183 total) but there was 350 yards that he didn't account for so it wasn't a one man show on offense. Heck, Landry has 167 himself. You'd think if you give the Ravens a pass for not having their best defensive player that you'd do the same for us when we lose, guess not though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 The series after we got a turnover at Pitts 30 described my problem with Freddie. You pass it 3 &$*#ing times in a row. At what point does being aggressive get called being stupid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Thomas5737 said: Baker averaged 11.4 yards per pass attempt. Passed for 342 yards. Browns had 135 more yards on 6 fewer plays. Chubb had a great game, 165 yards rushing (183 total) but there was 350 yards that he didn't account for so it wasn't a one man show on offense. Heck, Landry has 167 himself. You'd think if you give the Ravens a pass for not having their best defensive player that you'd do the same for us when we lose, guess not though. We lost ours because of lack of composure not injury We are also more evenly talent with Baltimore then Pittsburgh is right now to us even without Myles and it’s not even close we lost to the backup of the QB we just destroyed we suck and Freddie displays bad coaching every single week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonanza23 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I’m honestly not on the Freddie bandwagon nor off of it but if the following sequence of twits are true, I’m not a big fan. So what’s Freddie do: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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