TL-TwoWinsAway Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, incognito_man said: Lol ok A random guess is so much better im sure You were ok with my randomly saying 30.49% but take issue when you find out it was generated using data from every NFL game in history? I'm actually laughing at the absurdity. ... yes. I think it's ridiculous assuming that those situations mean anything when considering Team A vs. Team B, especially when the Lions have a player like Prater, who is able to hit kicks from 60+ with regularity, or like Stafford, who is likely better than a large chunk of players that participated in those previous games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: ... yes. I think it's ridiculous assuming that those situations mean anything when considering Team A vs. Team B, especially when the Lions have a player like Prater, who is able to hit kicks from 60+ with regularity, or like Stafford, who is likely better than a large chunk of players that participated in those previous games. Gross, man. Worst take I've seen from you yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Gross, man. Worst take I've seen from you yet. My heart hurts. Considering teams and circumstances are vastly different, the Lions' chance of success against the Packers in that scenario is likely vastly different than the "historical averages". You seem to think of yourself pretty highly. Historically, where do you rate Prater as far as long range kickers? I'd argue that Stafford has been a fringe top 10 QB for the majority of his career. If we're talking "historical averages", he's likely better than a fair portion of the other QBs included in those numbers. #MyWorstTake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: My heart hurts. Considering teams and circumstances are vastly different, the Lions' chance of success against the Packers in that scenario is likely vastly different than the "historical averages". You seem to think of yourself pretty highly. Historically, where do you rate Prater as far as long range kickers? I'd argue that Stafford has been a fringe top 10 QB for the majority of his career. If we're talking "historical averages", he's likely better than a fair portion of the other QBs included in those numbers. #MyWorstTake I think highly of data and lowly of n=1 anecdotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavensDefense3 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, waterfish_21 said: No debate? LOL not at all. packers only won because the refs screwed the lions. i watched the whole second half and i don't root for either team. those phantom hand to the face calls were brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, incognito_man said: I think highly of data and lowly of n=1 anecdotes. You say anecdote. I say logic and reasoning. Tomayto, tomahto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterfish_21 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, RavensDefense3 said: not at all. packers only won because the refs screwed the lions. i watched the whole second half and i don't root for either team. those phantom hand to the face calls were brutal. LOL OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: You say anecdote. I say logic and reasoning. Tomayto, tomahto. Such an inane take. Go write a thesis and include every variable from this game then to form a better percentage. Short of doing that, your criticism of the available data is mind-numbingly pathetic. Of course not every variable is accounted for in PFR's awesome calculator, but suggesting your (comparatively) baseless opinion (or any other person's) is in any way superior is straight up laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, incognito_man said: Such an inane take. Go write a thesis and include every variable from this game then to form a better percentage. Short of doing that, your criticism of the available data is mind-numbingly pathetic. Of course not every variable is accounted for in PFR's awesome calculator, but suggesting your (comparatively) baseless opinion (or any other person's) is in any way superior is straight up laughable. No, what's inane is pretending that having one of the best distance kickers in NFL history, as well as a very good NFL QB, is irrelevant when considering historical data. Those factors, as well as others, matter significantly. Gosh darn opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: No, what's inane is pretending that having one of the best distance kickers in NFL history, as well as a very good NFL QB, is irrelevant when considering historical data. Those factors, as well as others, matter significantly. Gosh darn opinions. Headbangswall.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, incognito_man said: Headbangswall.gif Here. I'm curious. Do you feel that Prater is one of the best distance kickers in NFL history? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: Here. I'm curious. Do you feel that Prater is one of the best distance kickers in NFL history? This is your thesis, I'm not interested in being first author. I don't care enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, incognito_man said: This is your thesis, I'm not interested in being first author. I don't care enough. Ouch. Volumes were spoken that day. (By the way, I don't need to prove anything. I believe that Prater is one of the best distance kickers of all time. I think most non-Packers fans would agree. As a result, he's a much greater asset in this situation than what the clear majority of those other teams had access to. Therefore, that "historical average" would be inaccurate to this game.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, TL-TwoWinsAway said: Ouch. Volumes were spoken that day. (By the way, I don't need to prove anything. I believe that Prater is one of the best distance kickers of all time. I think most non-Packers fans would agree. As a result, he's a much greater asset in this situation than what the clear majority of those other teams had access to. Therefore, that "historical average" would be inaccurate to this game.) Yep, that's the only variable. Submit to M.I.T. Sloan for award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: the Lions have a player like Prater, who is able to hit kicks from 60+ with regularity He's made one field goal of 60+ yards. It was 6 years ago. In Denver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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