Is the NFL rigged?

[jebrick]

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“I say this half-jokingly, but it seems like that Saints-Rams play from the NFC championship game doesn’t get overturned the way it’s being administered today,” Blandino said.

The numbers don’t lie: Penalties are way up. Per NFLPenalties.com, officials have thrown 18.2 total flags per game through this season’s first six weeks. Through Week 6 last year, the total flags per game was at 16.1. And in 2017, that figure was 16.9. The increase holds up when offsetting and declined penalties are thrown out: 13.8 per game in 2017, 13.9 last year, up to 15.0 this season.

 

https://tinyurl.com/y5w8fyw8

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Outrage at officiating is no doubt a time-honored NFL tradition. And there will always be blown calls. But the situation is more pronounced thanks to the NFL’s never-ending attempts to perfect the imperfectible, to legislate its way out of a patch of embarrassment, only to stumble into a thicket of unforeseen consequences.

an interesting article that has summed up what many here have said.

Edited October 18, 2019 by jebrick
url had a banned word so made an alias

[lancerman]

12 hours ago, nagahide13 said:

1. It obviously does not.

2. You obviously cannot tell that either from a still image. Even if you could, it wouldn't be from that specific image. Which is, again, edited. Even if it weren't you wouldn't be able to establish either prolonged OR excessive contact. It's a still image. One that shows the defensive lineman with a handful of hair. One that you've cropped because the offensive lineman is actually committing the foul you're talking about.

3. What a joke.

4. If you continually don't want to engage, why are you? It's almost like your posturing.

5. Again, I'm just as much of a dope for even continuing to engage. Nothing you've said makes sense, from your arguments on topic to you mentioning that officiating in baseball isn't subjective.

If the only thing the ref saw was a split second of the play that ONLY contained that image he would have seen 

1. The hands in the neck area (no matter how foolish you want to look denying it)

2. The OL’s head being pinned back. Which is exactly how the “forcible” part of the rule is explicitly described. 

At that moment he would have had enough evidence. So the NFL said that call was correct, the refs obviously think that specific one was right, and the visual evidence lines up with the exact requirements of the rule. 

 I have no stakes in the outcome of this game. If anything, I wanted the Packers to lose because I like Patricia. That call was correct, that’s the bottonline

Edited October 18, 2019 by lancerman

[lancerman]

51 minutes ago, jebrick said:

https://tinyurl.com/y5w8fyw8

an interesting article that has summed up what many here have said.

All last summer the biggest controversy was that a ref didn’t throw a flag. Did fans think that would lead to less penalties. 

At the end of the day the rulebook is designed to be too subjective and interpretive for a game at this high of a speed. Instant replay with multiple angles and slow motion gives everyone the ability to scrutinize every micro second of a play and demand perfection that will never happen unless you review every aspect of every play up stairs, That’s never going to happen 

[nagahide13]

1 hour ago, lancerman said:

If the only thing the ref saw was a split second of the play that ONLY contained that image he would have seen 

1. The hands in the neck area (no matter how foolish you want to look denying it)

2. The OL’s head being pinned back. Which is exactly how the “forcible” part of the rule is explicitly described. 

At that moment he would have had enough evidence. So the NFL said that call was correct, the refs obviously think that specific one was right, and the visual evidence lines up with the exact requirements of the rule. 

 I have no stakes in the outcome of this game. If anything, I wanted the Packers to lose because I like Patricia. That call was correct, that’s the bottonline

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000001065931/NFL-Total-Access-crew-reacts-to-Flowers-illegal-use-of-hands-penalties

It's incredible how wrong you are. Incredible. You've done nothing but spout falsehoods. There is a reason that every single analyst, player, coach, and even most officials asked have said exactly the same thing... And it's not what you're saying.

Telling people to learn the rules and telling them that they look foolish in situations like this is just unfathomable to me. You aren't applying the rules accurately, your only evidence is a hack job edited photo that would actually disprove your point if you showed it in its entirety, etc.

This is just wild. You are an absolute character.

Here's some more, intentionally avoiding Detroit media;

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/lions-nfl-react-to-controversial-illegal-hands-to-the-face-penalties-vs-packers/10k8a4rvw6ieh1p4eqen1hicrg

https://clutchpoints.com/lions-video-replay-shows-packers-david-bakhtiari-grabbed-trey-flowers-face-mask-when-flowers-was-penalized/

https://forums.footballsfuture.com/topic/22251-mnf-lions-at-packers/ 

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/lions-packers-referees-nfl-desmond-howard-investigation

Here's the @#$%ing commish...  https://www.detroitlions.com/video/roger-goodell-late-game-calls-in-lions-packers-game-were-tough-to-watch

This is such a clear cut situation that its unreal.

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2019 by nagahide13

[Spartacus]

1 hour ago, nagahide13 said:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000001065931/NFL-Total-Access-crew-reacts-to-Flowers-illegal-use-of-hands-penalties

It's incredible how wrong you are. Incredible. You've done nothing but spout falsehoods. There is a reason that every single analyst, player, coach, and even most officials asked have said exactly the same thing... And it's not what you're saying.

Telling people to learn the rules and telling them that they look foolish in situations like this is just unfathomable to me. You aren't applying the rules accurately, your only evidence is a hack job edited photo that would actually disprove your point if you showed it in its entirety, etc.

This is just wild. You are an absolute character.

Here's some more, intentionally avoiding Detroit media;

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/lions-nfl-react-to-controversial-illegal-hands-to-the-face-penalties-vs-packers/10k8a4rvw6ieh1p4eqen1hicrg

https://clutchpoints.com/lions-video-replay-shows-packers-david-bakhtiari-grabbed-trey-flowers-face-mask-when-flowers-was-penalized/

https://forums.footballsfuture.com/topic/22251-mnf-lions-at-packers/ 

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/lions-packers-referees-nfl-desmond-howard-investigation

Here's the @#$%ing commish...  https://www.detroitlions.com/video/roger-goodell-late-game-calls-in-lions-packers-game-were-tough-to-watch

This is such a clear cut situation that its unreal.

 

 

 

I suggest this. I think this is the best breakdown that I have seen. Nothing is cut and dry. Explanation of the fouls doesn't come till 2:50 if you don't want to sit through chatter. 

Edited October 18, 2019 by Spartacus

[lancerman]

2 hours ago, nagahide13 said:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000001065931/NFL-Total-Access-crew-reacts-to-Flowers-illegal-use-of-hands-penalties

It's incredible how wrong you are. Incredible. You've done nothing but spout falsehoods. There is a reason that every single analyst, player, coach, and even most officials asked have said exactly the same thing... And it's not what you're saying.

Telling people to learn the rules and telling them that they look foolish in situations like this is just unfathomable to me. You aren't applying the rules accurately, your only evidence is a hack job edited photo that would actually disprove your point if you showed it in its entirety, etc.

This is just wild. You are an absolute character.

Here's some more, intentionally avoiding Detroit media;

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/lions-nfl-react-to-controversial-illegal-hands-to-the-face-penalties-vs-packers/10k8a4rvw6ieh1p4eqen1hicrg

https://clutchpoints.com/lions-video-replay-shows-packers-david-bakhtiari-grabbed-trey-flowers-face-mask-when-flowers-was-penalized/

https://forums.footballsfuture.com/topic/22251-mnf-lions-at-packers/ 

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/lions-packers-referees-nfl-desmond-howard-investigation

Here's the @#$%ing commish...  https://www.detroitlions.com/video/roger-goodell-late-game-calls-in-lions-packers-game-were-tough-to-watch

This is such a clear cut situation that its unreal.

 

 

 

1. Nobody made you mis state the rule. You did. 

2. The NFL already said only one of those calls was wrong (not that one). So the authority disagrees as well with you. 

You are dug in and have no credibility. I don’t care that you can post links of the Detroit media crying 

[Pugger]

On 10/16/2019 at 3:20 PM, since72 said:

I only hope to live long enough to know what that feels like.  

Maybe you could describe it and I could live vicariously through you.

What team do you cheer for?

[nagahide13]

6 hours ago, lancerman said:

1. Nobody made you mis state the rule. You did. 

2. The NFL already said only one of those calls was wrong (not that one). So the authority disagrees as well with you. 

You are dug in and have no credibility. I don’t care that you can post links of the Detroit media crying 

You can't be a real person. You can't.

[nagahide13]

7 hours ago, Spartacus said:

I suggest this. I think this is the best breakdown that I have seen. Nothing is cut and dry. Explanation of the fouls doesn't come till 2:50 if you don't want to sit through chatter. 

That's exactly it. Exactly. Simms broke down exactly what happened perfectly.

[3rivers]

if they remove the replays, nobody can question the calls. Watch a game from the 80's, and there are rarely any replays of penalties, not  much controversy. They might have missed a few calls but is that the right way to go about it? 

The league has been backed into a corner. They will have to decide how to keep the fans happy wrt the refs. I don't know how they do it though, because mistakes will be made no matter what.  If they really were intent on making every call, they will have to get a few more refs or cameras and go high tech.  It's not an easy game to call, but the fans aren't forgiving either. 

[The Hitch]

Not rigged, but I do think a reason all sports fight so hard not to have good officiating (as in not use technology more and even when used, its a limited chalenge system where half the things aren't reviewable), is because Controversy creates Cash. 

[Justone2]

54 minutes ago, The Hitch said:

Not rigged, but I do think a reason all sports fight so hard not to have good officiating (as in not use technology more and even when used, its a limited chalenge system where half the things aren't reviewable), is because Controversy creates Cash. 

Or it is just because using more technology just slows the game down. Having technology is a good thing don't get me wrong but having every play reviewed automatically would just slow it down way too much. 

Edited October 19, 2019 by Justone2

[Pugger]

18 hours ago, Spartacus said:

I suggest this. I think this is the best breakdown that I have seen. Nothing is cut and dry. Explanation of the fouls doesn't come till 2:50 if you don't want to sit through chatter. 

I didn't realize Lazard got held on that play too.  The refs missed that one.

[The Hitch]

14 minutes ago, Justone2 said:

Or it is just because using more technology just slows the game down. Having technology is a good thing don't get me wrong but having every play reviewed automatically would just slow it down way too much. 

Easily solved by having a video ref like in Rugby, who is in the ear of the Head Ref.

On a lot of these controversies it takes AGES before we get to the next play anyway.

Like Trey flowers play, we see the replay about 5 times before they even snap the next play. It would take about 2.3 seconds for the video ref to tell the head ref, what everyone can see and another 10 maybe for the ref to announce "there is no flag on the play for..." which he would have done anyway if he had better eyes. 

A lot of these examples are way worse. The TD the Texans scored someone linked when he was down. A video ref could have seen he was down before the RB even finished running to the end zone. 

[Justone2]

1 hour ago, The Hitch said:

Easily solved by having a video ref like in Rugby, who is in the ear of the Head Ref.

On a lot of these controversies it takes AGES before we get to the next play anyway.

Like Trey flowers play, we see the replay about 5 times before they even snap the next play. It would take about 2.3 seconds for the video ref to tell the head ref, what everyone can see and another 10 maybe for the ref to announce "there is no flag on the play for..." which he would have done anyway if he had better eyes. 

A lot of these examples are way worse. The TD the Texans scored someone linked when he was down. A video ref could have seen he was down before the RB even finished running to the end zone. 

in Rugby they also just keep going and just can go back. In the NFL when a new play starts they can't turn it back to the last play so every play will have to be reviewed before the next snap which in the best case for them is 40 seconds.

 

For the worst examples i am sure it will help but for the ticky tacky plays it will slow the game down. I am not saying more involvement of video refs and reviews is fully bad but it isn't the holy grail since it still will be someone making the decisions and people make misstakes especially when they have time pressure to make that decision.