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Okay Wisconsin fans, I've figured out what's wrong with your offense after watching some brief tape (schematically, not trying to leave room for a joke). Essentially, it's this:

There's not a single passing play that builds off of your running game, whether by formation, motions, route design, etc.

For example, if you're in a standard I formation, whether with a "wing" or not, you don't have any type of leveling flood concept, boot action, deep shot, seam shot, or vertical threat, despite having some capable bodies in these spots. You aren't playing any games with the safeties, you aren't making the linebackers account for these mixers off of personal, formation, or motion, and they know what play you're running before you even snap the ball.

Contrary to popular thought, the amount of formations actually create MORE data points for predictability, not less. Having less formations, or having the same base 6-12 plays out of a variety of formations, puts more stress on the linebackers for recognition, keeps the safeties more honest, and you have more gaps to account for on plays like jet, iso, and outside zone/power (depending upon zone or gap concepts).

@beekay414 @ramssuperbowl99 I'd like to officially apply to be the OC at Wisconsin. Go Badgers!

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5 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

Okay Wisconsin fans, I've figured out what's wrong with your offense after watching some brief tape (schematically, not trying to leave room for a joke). Essentially, it's this:

There's not a single passing play that builds off of your running game, whether by formation, motions, route design, etc.

For example, if you're in a standard I formation, whether with a "wing" or not, you don't have any type of leveling flood concept, boot action, deep shot, seam shot, or vertical threat, despite having some capable bodies in these spots. You aren't playing any games with the safeties, you aren't making the linebackers account for these mixers off of personal, formation, or motion, and they know what play you're running before you even snap the ball.

Contrary to popular thought, the amount of formations actually create MORE data points for predictability, not less. Having less formations, or having the same base 6-12 plays out of a variety of formations, puts more stress on the linebackers for recognition, keeps the safeties more honest, and you have more gaps to account for on plays like jet, iso, and outside zone/power (depending upon zone or gap concepts).

@beekay414 @ramssuperbowl99 I'd like to officially apply to be the OC at Wisconsin. Go Badgers!

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This is 100% true, and started with Jonathan Taylor. We accepted telegraphing run/pass plays because he was only in for running plays almost exclusively the first 2 years of his career here, and then once teams figured it out, even some of the concepts started to stray.

The fact that we use a FB and have a pass catching TE specialist versus a blocking TE specialist only compounds the problem.

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1 minute ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

This is 100% true, and started with Jonathan Taylor. We accepted telegraphing run/pass plays because he was only in for running plays almost exclusively the first 2 years of his career here, and then once teams figured it out, even some of the concepts started to stray.

The fact that we use a FB and have a pass catching TE specialist versus a blocking TE specialist only compounds the problem.

It's just really weird to me, because Wisconsin almost always has capable dual threat RB (at the college level), obnoxious TE play, and a WR who has the "take the top off" factor. (Nick Toon, Lee Evans, and even guys like Cephas/Danny Davis in the intermediate downfield game).

I don't know how you don't utilize a bunch of plays off of "jet" for example. You have jet, fake jet (counter RB, holds the LB and make them account for fast action back), jet motion (HB Dive, holds the force defender), fake jet (screen), fake jet (toss weak), fake jet (pass, flood).

It's just weird to me. That doesn't even require more install time. You have your bread and butter plays and run tags with motions...and that's just one example from one formation.

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3 hours ago, MWil23 said:

It's just really weird to me, because Wisconsin almost always has capable dual threat RB (at the college level), obnoxious TE play, and a WR who has the "take the top off" factor. (Nick Toon, Lee Evans, and even guys like Cephas/Danny Davis in the intermediate downfield game).

I don't know how you don't utilize a bunch of plays off of "jet" for example. You have jet, fake jet (counter RB, holds the LB and make them account for fast action back), jet motion (HB Dive, holds the force defender), fake jet (screen), fake jet (toss weak), fake jet (pass, flood).

It's just weird to me. That doesn't even require more install time. You have your bread and butter plays and run tags with motions...and that's just one example from one formation.

I realize you're joking about applying but for the love of god please send this to Paul Chryst. I'll even write the cover letter for you if you really want.

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18 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

I realize you're joking about applying but for the love of god please send this to Paul Chryst. I'll even write the cover letter for you if you really want.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

As a defensive coach, 90% of the time I'd actually make a better play caller than some of our offensive coaches. Many of them don't self scout (*cringe*), they don't understand tendencies, and they don't think like a defensive coach, because they're too busy being know it all offensive coaches who have an answer schematically for everything, even when they're wrong.

"Yeah well if you give us that look we'll just run this", says offensive coach who thinks that somehow they're going to be able to block/account for my best defensive force defender with a tiny slot wide receiver. It's comical.

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