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"I have to watch [the] fight, you know.. I think it's going to be [a] good fight.. It was very good fight, five round fight, I want to feel all five rounds, how I'm gonna fight.."

 

 

Almost comes off as if he wanted to at least take it to the 5th round, almost purposefully. It sort of seemed that way, especially since he had I believe zero takedown attempts in the 3rd round? He missed a few in the 4th but gave up rather quick on them.

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3 hours ago, Mossburg said:

The funniest thing for me was how he called the performance unimpressive (I believe the word he used). Joe will sit there and tell you how a snoozefest is a chess match of dominance to the educated like himself but not to the casuals, but all of a sudden that performance was unimpressive? I mean I'm not saying Khabib rocked the world or anything, but if that was unimpressive then a good chunk of the fights Joe called need to be called out for the same or worse.

well, if Khabib always fought like the last 3 rounds no one would care about him. 

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3 hours ago, Mossburg said:

The funniest thing for me was how he called the performance unimpressive (I believe the word he used). Joe will sit there and tell you how a snoozefest is a chess match of dominance to the educated like himself but not to the casuals, but all of a sudden that performance was unimpressive? I mean I'm not saying Khabib rocked the world or anything, but if that was unimpressive then a good chunk of the fights Joe called need to be called out for the same or worse.

case in point, Wonderboy vs Woodly. I get that both those guys were trying to figure out the other without taking damage, but Rogan has called those fights the "high level chess match" that isnt boring at all but khabib had an unimpressive performance. His words

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10 minutes ago, Big Snack said:

case in point, Wonderboy vs Woodly. I get that both those guys were trying to figure out the other without taking damage, but Rogan has called those fights the "high level chess match" that isnt boring at all but khabib had an unimpressive performance. His words

same thing with Woodley vs Maia which is probably the worst title fight of all time. 

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22 minutes ago, Big Snack said:

case in point, Wonderboy vs Woodly. I get that both those guys were trying to figure out the other without taking damage, but Rogan has called those fights the "high level chess match" that isnt boring at all but khabib had an unimpressive performance. His words

 

11 minutes ago, Remixxxxxxx said:

same thing with Woodley vs Maia which is probably the worst title fight of all time. 

but in both of those cases Woodley was the one had to strategize to overcome the specialist.

Khabib is the specialist, going against a guy who took a fight on one day notice. Al's standup game was neutered because he was afraid of getting taken down and Khabib still looked mediocre. 

It's like Frankie. When he fights a guy who he could take down his standup looks high level. When he fights Aldo or Ortega he gets washed because they aren't afraid of the takedown. If Tony isn't afraid of getting taken down you could see why some folks would assume Tony would wash him and how that performance is unimpressive in that sense.

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5 minutes ago, 11sanchez11 said:

 

but in both of those cases Woodley was the one had to strategize to overcome the specialist.

Khabib is the specialist, going against a guy who took a fight on one day notice. Al's standup game was neutered because he was afraid of getting taken down and Khabib still looked mediocre. 

It's like Frankie. When he fights a guy who he could take down his standup looks high level. When he fights Aldo or Ortega he gets washed because they aren't afraid of the takedown. If Tony isn't afraid of getting taken down you could see why some folks would assume Tony would wash him and how that performance is unimpressive in that sense.

I will refer back to what i have already said. Im not sure what anyone was really expecting to see on a 1 day notice fight. Khabib may be the specialist but on 1 day notice he went from facing Tony or Max who both are great strikers that lack the same type of 1 punch power that Al has. Khabib took no damage, he took as lil risk as possible, and secured his belt with scores of 50-44, 50-43x2. Is this the same performance we saw against johnson or barboza? not at all, but he didnt take either of those fights on 1 day notice either. Most extremely short notice fights tend to be less exciting than what we hope for. Would any of us really thought that Cormier was the guy to be virtually a pickem against possibly the greatest hwy the UFC has ever had after his short notice fight with silva? He did the same thing in that he took no damage and lil to no risk to secure that win.

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8 hours ago, cddolphin said:

 

Almost comes off as if he wanted to at least take it to the 5th round, almost purposefully. It sort of seemed that way, especially since he had I believe zero takedown attempts in the 3rd round? He missed a few in the 4th but gave up rather quick on them.

Honestly I think that's the case. What does he gain by rolling through Al and finishing it in the first round? Having the fight go all 5, he now has championship round experience, something Conor and Tony have, and something GSP has in spades. He didn't need to come out and make a big statement, this was all about how much he could grow from this fight. 

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6 hours ago, Buckrock101 said:

Honestly I think that's the case. What does he gain by rolling through Al and finishing it in the first round? Having the fight go all 5, he now has championship round experience, something Conor and Tony have, and something GSP has in spades. He didn't need to come out and make a big statement, this was all about how much he could grow from this fight. 

Is it though? Is it great to be in a an extended fight with someone that isn't exactly going to push you anyways? It was obvious Khabib wasn't gassed because he didnt really push himself in rounds 3 & 4. I feel like what he gains in meh experience fighting the #11 fighter in round 5 is at least on par or worse than the risk he runs getting caught. If he got caught, dropped and lost then what? 

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29 minutes ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said:

Is it though? Is it great to be in a an extended fight with someone that isn't exactly going to push you anyways? It was obvious Khabib wasn't gassed because he didnt really push himself in rounds 3 & 4. I feel like what he gains in meh experience fighting the #11 fighter in round 5 is at least on par or worse than the risk he runs getting caught. If he got caught, dropped and lost then what? 

You don't see very many flash knockouts in the 3rd round onwards, especially when the opposing fighter is depleted from being ragdolled for the first two rounds. Despite Rogan's commentary, I think there was very little chance of Al catching him in those 3rd-4th round standup exchanges. Also, Khabib will have thought that if he couldn't outstrike Iaquinta at that stage, he wouldn't stand much chance against one of the top contenders. End of the day, there's really no substitute for octagon experience. You can have the best sparring partners, but it's not going to be the same as a real fight.

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18 hours ago, 11sanchez11 said:

well, if Khabib always fought like the last 3 rounds no one would care about him. 

While true, the point is tons of great fighters had these kind of fights (and much worse, much much worse) and Rogan didn't go out of his way to point out "flaws" with them. As if we learned something about Khabib from that fight that we didn't already know.

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15 hours ago, Buckrock101 said:

Honestly I think that's the case. What does he gain by rolling through Al and finishing it in the first round? Having the fight go all 5, he now has championship round experience, something Conor and Tony have, and something GSP has in spades. He didn't need to come out and make a big statement, this was all about how much he could grow from this fight. 

I don't necessarily disagree, but the biggest factors rounds 4 and 5 add are testing your cardio and mental toughness.  Khabib has insane cardio and would have no issues going 5 with anyone and you aren't going to be tested mentally fighting a clearly inferior fighter. 

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1 hour ago, PAW said:

I don't necessarily disagree, but the biggest factors rounds 4 and 5 add are testing your cardio and mental toughness.  Khabib has insane cardio and would have no issues going 5 with anyone and you aren't going to be tested mentally fighting a clearly inferior fighter. 

This is how i feel in a nutshell. Its not so much discounting the experience gained in a 5 round fight but its against someone that no one ever thought would put Khabib in danger. 

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2 hours ago, driftwood said:

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I thought the fight was a lot closer than most people did. I actually thought Joanna won, I'd have to watch it again though. 

Was surprised to see all the judges only gave her 1 round, she did out land Rose by about 50 strikes I think. 

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