cddolphin Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 "I have to watch [the] fight, you know.. I think it's going to be [a] good fight.. It was very good fight, five round fight, I want to feel all five rounds, how I'm gonna fight.." Almost comes off as if he wanted to at least take it to the 5th round, almost purposefully. It sort of seemed that way, especially since he had I believe zero takedown attempts in the 3rd round? He missed a few in the 4th but gave up rather quick on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Khabib vs GSP is one of the matchups that I would hate to be chosen, but ultimately would get super hype for. I'd rather see Ferguson though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Mossburg said: The funniest thing for me was how he called the performance unimpressive (I believe the word he used). Joe will sit there and tell you how a snoozefest is a chess match of dominance to the educated like himself but not to the casuals, but all of a sudden that performance was unimpressive? I mean I'm not saying Khabib rocked the world or anything, but if that was unimpressive then a good chunk of the fights Joe called need to be called out for the same or worse. well, if Khabib always fought like the last 3 rounds no one would care about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Snack Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Mossburg said: The funniest thing for me was how he called the performance unimpressive (I believe the word he used). Joe will sit there and tell you how a snoozefest is a chess match of dominance to the educated like himself but not to the casuals, but all of a sudden that performance was unimpressive? I mean I'm not saying Khabib rocked the world or anything, but if that was unimpressive then a good chunk of the fights Joe called need to be called out for the same or worse. case in point, Wonderboy vs Woodly. I get that both those guys were trying to figure out the other without taking damage, but Rogan has called those fights the "high level chess match" that isnt boring at all but khabib had an unimpressive performance. His words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalamania Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, Big Snack said: case in point, Wonderboy vs Woodly. I get that both those guys were trying to figure out the other without taking damage, but Rogan has called those fights the "high level chess match" that isnt boring at all but khabib had an unimpressive performance. His words same thing with Woodley vs Maia which is probably the worst title fight of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 22 minutes ago, Big Snack said: case in point, Wonderboy vs Woodly. I get that both those guys were trying to figure out the other without taking damage, but Rogan has called those fights the "high level chess match" that isnt boring at all but khabib had an unimpressive performance. His words 11 minutes ago, Remixxxxxxx said: same thing with Woodley vs Maia which is probably the worst title fight of all time. but in both of those cases Woodley was the one had to strategize to overcome the specialist. Khabib is the specialist, going against a guy who took a fight on one day notice. Al's standup game was neutered because he was afraid of getting taken down and Khabib still looked mediocre. It's like Frankie. When he fights a guy who he could take down his standup looks high level. When he fights Aldo or Ortega he gets washed because they aren't afraid of the takedown. If Tony isn't afraid of getting taken down you could see why some folks would assume Tony would wash him and how that performance is unimpressive in that sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Snack Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, 11sanchez11 said: but in both of those cases Woodley was the one had to strategize to overcome the specialist. Khabib is the specialist, going against a guy who took a fight on one day notice. Al's standup game was neutered because he was afraid of getting taken down and Khabib still looked mediocre. It's like Frankie. When he fights a guy who he could take down his standup looks high level. When he fights Aldo or Ortega he gets washed because they aren't afraid of the takedown. If Tony isn't afraid of getting taken down you could see why some folks would assume Tony would wash him and how that performance is unimpressive in that sense. I will refer back to what i have already said. Im not sure what anyone was really expecting to see on a 1 day notice fight. Khabib may be the specialist but on 1 day notice he went from facing Tony or Max who both are great strikers that lack the same type of 1 punch power that Al has. Khabib took no damage, he took as lil risk as possible, and secured his belt with scores of 50-44, 50-43x2. Is this the same performance we saw against johnson or barboza? not at all, but he didnt take either of those fights on 1 day notice either. Most extremely short notice fights tend to be less exciting than what we hope for. Would any of us really thought that Cormier was the guy to be virtually a pickem against possibly the greatest hwy the UFC has ever had after his short notice fight with silva? He did the same thing in that he took no damage and lil to no risk to secure that win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckrock101 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 8 hours ago, cddolphin said: Almost comes off as if he wanted to at least take it to the 5th round, almost purposefully. It sort of seemed that way, especially since he had I believe zero takedown attempts in the 3rd round? He missed a few in the 4th but gave up rather quick on them. Honestly I think that's the case. What does he gain by rolling through Al and finishing it in the first round? Having the fight go all 5, he now has championship round experience, something Conor and Tony have, and something GSP has in spades. He didn't need to come out and make a big statement, this was all about how much he could grow from this fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Buckrock101 said: Honestly I think that's the case. What does he gain by rolling through Al and finishing it in the first round? Having the fight go all 5, he now has championship round experience, something Conor and Tony have, and something GSP has in spades. He didn't need to come out and make a big statement, this was all about how much he could grow from this fight. Is it though? Is it great to be in a an extended fight with someone that isn't exactly going to push you anyways? It was obvious Khabib wasn't gassed because he didnt really push himself in rounds 3 & 4. I feel like what he gains in meh experience fighting the #11 fighter in round 5 is at least on par or worse than the risk he runs getting caught. If he got caught, dropped and lost then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckrock101 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 29 minutes ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: Is it though? Is it great to be in a an extended fight with someone that isn't exactly going to push you anyways? It was obvious Khabib wasn't gassed because he didnt really push himself in rounds 3 & 4. I feel like what he gains in meh experience fighting the #11 fighter in round 5 is at least on par or worse than the risk he runs getting caught. If he got caught, dropped and lost then what? You don't see very many flash knockouts in the 3rd round onwards, especially when the opposing fighter is depleted from being ragdolled for the first two rounds. Despite Rogan's commentary, I think there was very little chance of Al catching him in those 3rd-4th round standup exchanges. Also, Khabib will have thought that if he couldn't outstrike Iaquinta at that stage, he wouldn't stand much chance against one of the top contenders. End of the day, there's really no substitute for octagon experience. You can have the best sparring partners, but it's not going to be the same as a real fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossburg Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 18 hours ago, 11sanchez11 said: well, if Khabib always fought like the last 3 rounds no one would care about him. While true, the point is tons of great fighters had these kind of fights (and much worse, much much worse) and Rogan didn't go out of his way to point out "flaws" with them. As if we learned something about Khabib from that fight that we didn't already know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAW Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 15 hours ago, Buckrock101 said: Honestly I think that's the case. What does he gain by rolling through Al and finishing it in the first round? Having the fight go all 5, he now has championship round experience, something Conor and Tony have, and something GSP has in spades. He didn't need to come out and make a big statement, this was all about how much he could grow from this fight. I don't necessarily disagree, but the biggest factors rounds 4 and 5 add are testing your cardio and mental toughness. Khabib has insane cardio and would have no issues going 5 with anyone and you aren't going to be tested mentally fighting a clearly inferior fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driftwood Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 On 4/8/2018 at 5:27 PM, El ramster said: Joanna was robbed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, PAW said: I don't necessarily disagree, but the biggest factors rounds 4 and 5 add are testing your cardio and mental toughness. Khabib has insane cardio and would have no issues going 5 with anyone and you aren't going to be tested mentally fighting a clearly inferior fighter. This is how i feel in a nutshell. Its not so much discounting the experience gained in a 5 round fight but its against someone that no one ever thought would put Khabib in danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazer026 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 2 hours ago, driftwood said: I thought the fight was a lot closer than most people did. I actually thought Joanna won, I'd have to watch it again though. Was surprised to see all the judges only gave her 1 round, she did out land Rose by about 50 strikes I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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