Thomas5737 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mind Character said: He might have been on the practice squad I can't recall. Again though, the point isn't really about the "rookie year per se" but more so about their first 16-20 starts. I do think that based on performance within that time frame of early career, most people thought Jameis, Mariota, and Bulger were going to have great careers. Also, it's not informative to me to say things like "Josh Rosen or [Insert Rookie QB Name Here] didn't have a good/great rookie season so he's not a franchise QB," because so many things effect the success of a rookie QB with the main factor often being that the Rookie QB is on a terrible team with a terrible offensive line. Predicting future success based on performance in the first 16-20 starts has a lot to do with the flashes and whether or not one thinks such flashes are sustainable over time. Ultimately, a 16 o 20 game sample size isn't really predictive of anything (good or bad) based on the history of the NFL. I agree a slow start doesn't mean there won't be future success but I can't think of any (besides RGIII) that came out of the gates strong and fizzled. Winston and Mariota came out of the gates decent and never progressed but I don't think I'd say they were anything special if you weren't considering projected future progressions. Mayfield (I don't even remember what this conversation was about) was certainly better as a rookie than either of them his rookie season according to the eye test. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaWg_LB. Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, BleedTheClock said: Brother if your ever in the D.M.V. area.......Drinks on me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) There are some truths that are being left out when discussing how "great" this Patriots Defense is: Look at the offenses they've gone against and who the QB was inexperience or talent-wise: Wk 1 - Inexperienced Steelers - Hobbled week 1 Ben Wk 2- Dolphins - Josh Rosen rookie starts-wise Wk 3- Jets - Luke Falk-rookie starts wise Wk 4- Buffalo - Josh Allen-rookie starts wise Wk 5- Washington - Colt McCoy hobbled Wk 6- Giants - Daniel Jones rookie Wk 7- Jets - Sam Darnold a game back from weeks off rookie starts wise. They've literally faced all rookie's in terms of career starts and a two hobbled QBs in Ben and McCoy ----------- Our offense is literally going to be the first real test for them, and I wouldn't be surprised if we have success and make them look like BBQ Chicken at times. The Pats aren't an All-time Defense despite the statistics b/c they haven't stopped anyone of note yet. And here's the most under-discussed thing about the Pats, their offense has struggled and Brady gets spooked by pressure. --------- We have to get wild with blitzes and heat Brady up. I actually feel really good about this game, and I think we're going to put it together and win by 10. Edited October 23, 2019 by Mind Character 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbybrown Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Mind Character said: There are some truths that are being left out when discussing how "great" this Patriots Defense is: Look at the offenses they've gone against and who the QB was inexperience or talent-wise: Wk 1 - Inexperienced Steelers - Hobbled week 1 Ben Wk 2- Dolphins - Josh Rosen rookie starts-wise Wk 3- Jets - Luke Falk-rookie starts wise Wk 4- Buffalo - Josh Allen-rookie starts wise Wk 5- Washington - Colt McCoy hobbled Wk 6- Giants - Daniel Jones rookie Wk 7- Jets - Sam Darnold a game back from weeks off rookie starts wise. They've literally faced all rookie's in terms of career starts and a two hobbled QBs in Ben and McCoy ----------- Our offense is literally going to be the first real test for them, and I wouldn't be surprised if we have success and make them look like BBQ Chicken at times. The Pats aren't an All-time Defense despite the statistics b/c they haven't stopped anyone of note yet. And here's the most under-discussed thing about the Pats, their offense has struggled and Brady gets spooked by pressure. --------- We have to get wild with blitzes and heat Brady up. I actually feel really good about this game, and I think we're going to put it together and win by 10. It’s a good point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) What makes the Patriots defense historic is how BB uses his linebackers. They’re all huge and athletic. BBs game plan will be simple: Put 8 in the box and dare Baker to win it. I love Nick Chubb, but BB has always been able to shut down a teams best player. Edited October 24, 2019 by candyman93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 BB going for his 300th win. His first win was as the Browns coach vs the Pats and might get 300 as the pats coach vs the Browns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 hour ago, buno67 said: BB going for his 300th win. His first win was as the Browns coach vs the Pats and might get 300 as the pats coach vs the Browns Now wouldn't that just f'ing figure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I’m not saying I expect a win or anything, but we have a LOT of talent and are coming off a bye. Maybe we catch ‘em napping, it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I’m not saying I expect a win or anything, but we have a LOT of talent and are coming off a bye. Maybe we catch ‘em napping, it happens. Ill have what hes having. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Ron Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Me too. We are toast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Mind Character said: There are some truths that are being left out when discussing how "great" this Patriots Defense is: Look at the offenses they've gone against and who the QB was inexperience or talent-wise: Wk 1 - Inexperienced Steelers - Hobbled week 1 Ben Wk 2- Dolphins - Josh Rosen rookie starts-wise Wk 3- Jets - Luke Falk-rookie starts wise Wk 4- Buffalo - Josh Allen-rookie starts wise Wk 5- Washington - Colt McCoy hobbled Wk 6- Giants - Daniel Jones rookie Wk 7- Jets - Sam Darnold a game back from weeks off rookie starts wise. They've literally faced all rookie's in terms of career starts and a two hobbled QBs in Ben and McCoy ----------- Our offense is literally going to be the first real test for them, and I wouldn't be surprised if we have success and make them look like BBQ Chicken at times. The Pats aren't an All-time Defense despite the statistics b/c they haven't stopped anyone of note yet. And here's the most under-discussed thing about the Pats, their offense has struggled and Brady gets spooked by pressure. --------- We have to get wild with blitzes and heat Brady up. I actually feel really good about this game, and I think we're going to put it together and win by 10. The problem with this theory about being a “real test” is that your offense sucks this year. You’re 23rd in scoring and 21st in Yards. Football outsiders has them ranked 27th. So if the patriots offense is “struggling”(and they are significantly better across the board)what does that say about The browns offense? Baker is going to be another one of the bad QBs they destroy this year Edited October 24, 2019 by CP3MVP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 54 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: Ill have what hes having. 29 minutes ago, Mega Ron said: Me too. We are toast. I get it, it’s unlikely. Not impossible though, crazier things have happened. We have an absurd amount of talent, we just need to get everyone on the same page. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reginaldm9 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 The most likely outcome is that the game will be closer than we'd expect, but the Browns do the Browns thing in the 4th and can't capitalize on a good performance. I'll say Pats win 28-17 in a game that's a lot closer than the score indicates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Reginaldm9 said: The most likely outcome is that the game will be closer than we'd expect, but the Browns do the Browns thing in the 4th and can't capitalize on a good performance. I'll say Pats win 28-17 in a game that's a lot closer than the score indicates. Exactly what I've just predicted in our forum. ...Dillon! You son of..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnies20 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 18 hours ago, DaWg_LB. said: Brother if your ever in the D.M.V. area.......Drinks on me.... You just hang out at the dmv all day? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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