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Texansfan713    25

Can we get this clown off the team aleady? Tired of him, and Im tired of Texans fans overrating him.  Maybe he can be the Aggies next HC once Sumlin is gone. 

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EliteTexan80    279

For once, I'm not disagreeing - but everyone has got to go. RAC, Vrabel? This is just as much on them. This defense - with Watt, Clowney, Mercilius, McKinney - just got SLAPPED by a Jags team that is 1/10th what the Titans are.

Say what you want about the offense, but the D was atrocious today.

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EliteTexan80    279
12 minutes ago, amazingandre said:

Unfortunately, it is too early for any of this. Our defense better get their **** together. 

I don't think our defense is as good as we believed. Clowney was stonewalled by a rookie LT. Cushing is injury prone. McKinney vanished. Mercilius had one good play. Watt is broken. Secondary isn't able to stop Blake Bortles and a WR unit that lost their #1 guy in th 1sy quarter.

This was supposed to be a sack fest. It was - for Jacksonville.

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Clowney has always been a bust. He got a ton of credit last year for our good D because he was the most known name on it. He was the wrong choice, I said it at the time, and Mack has proven over and over he should have been number 1 there. 

 

Watt is probably done being anything other other than average for the rest of his career. The rest of our d line is t that great. 

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I agree that we need a clean slate, and with the lack of top picks next year this isnt going to turn around quickly, but why are we dismissing Rick Smith on this? He built this team...

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amazingandre    17

Who are some guys you would like at for replacing OB and Smith

 

I would start and end with Jim Harbaugh and would give him personnel decisions to boot.  

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Texansfan713    25
59 minutes ago, lumberjackchris said:

I agree that we need a clean slate, and with the lack of top picks next year this isnt going to turn around quickly, but why are we dismissing Rick Smith on this? He built this team...

Oh believe me, his butt should be canned as well. 

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Rick Smith needs to be the lead story here, NOT the QB or Bill O'Brien.  There is not a scheme or coaching play in the world that can overcome a starting offensive line featuring 3 tackles in Lamm, Giacomini, and Clark that likely would not find work in the NFL if they were cut tomorrow.  Both starting Guards (Xavier Su'a Fila and Jeff Allen) embody the other incompetencies of the GM.

  • RT Derek Newton was a replacement level RT BEFORE he experienced a career ending injury 11 months ago.  His replacement, Chris Clark was an abject failure as a replacement and considering he is a 31 year old UDFA who was run out of Denver after he was pressed into starting duty after 3 years of riding their bench, he fits the profile of a guy who would likely be out of the league.  Our big offseason move was to sign someone with a profile WORSE than Clark's in 31 year old Breno Giacomini who flamed out for the Jets last year and few thought would make a roster.
  • RG Jeff Allen was a career LEFT guard signed to replace Brandon Brooks whom the Texans invested a redshirt season to get into shape who had developed into one of the top 10-12 RG's in the NFL.  He responded to getting a fat free agent contract by showing up fat and playing the entire season out of shape and slow.  The ONLY reason he is on the roster a 2nd season is the 4 yr/$28 million deal he was given after being a spot starter at KC (after losing his job after 2 seasons).
  • LG XSF was a ridiculous reach at #33 at a time where the Texans desperately needed a promising young QB (Bridgewater, Carr, Garappolo).  If that's an unfair comparison, #35 RG Joel Bitonio is a top 10 rated LG for Cleve (2nd highest paid in the NFL), #43 Weston Richburg top 10 rated C for Giants,  #59 RG Jack Mewhort decent 4 year starter for Colts, and #66 RT Morgan Moses is as top 5 RT for Washington.  XSF was at best a project player as a guy without an NFL position, terrible tape, and lacking NFL strength.  He has somehow managed to combine his abysmal fundamental pass protection skills evident from day one, with eating himself into a fat pathetic tub of goo who has multiple games now where he has given up 3+ sacks in an NFL game in a position where giving up more than 3 IN A SEASON puts your job in jeopardy 
  • LT Kendall Lamm.  Undrafted Project guy out of puny App State with 7 career games in 3 seasons.  Profiled as a guard lacking strength or a tackle lacking length or basically what he has been - late season injury replacement depth.  THIS is the guy playing the 3rd most important position in an NFL offense!

The Duane Brown thing is complicated, but that it dragged into the regular season is an absolute indictment of the GM as he clearly does NOT trust management on this team that has developed a reputation for throwing it's veterans to the curb after they risk their careers playing hurt because we have not depth.  Julie'n Davenport might eventually become a decent RT, but he's basically just a bucket of measurables from puny Bucknell who will need to be taught how to play football for at least 2 years.  Taking a guy like that is ok, but it means you HAVE to have quality veterans or game ready draftees to play while he sits inactive. 

WR situation is arguably WORSE considering how many quality veteran options were available and the complete lack of urgency to upgrade once Will Fuller went down and Strong was suspended.  Not having enough players to field a position should NEVER happen at the NFL level as an unheard of roster management failure.  The Bengals come to town this week with #9 overall pick John Ross #4 on their depth chart behind AJ Green, Lafell, and Tyler Boyd, while we have a RB or a QB just taking up space playing in the slot.  WHAT about Fuller/Miller/Strong last year indicated we were not in need of bringing in someone who was actually competent at playing WR at the NFL level when they were healthy, better yet looking at today's depth chart?  Same Walter/Jacoby/Martin/Posey/Damaris Johnson/Nate Washington/Mumphrey garbage depth chart that wasted so many great Andre Johnson years. Same failed decision maker.

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amazingandre    17
24 minutes ago, Apollo Stallion said:

Rick Smith needs to be the lead story here, NOT the QB or Bill O'Brien.  There is not a scheme or coaching play in the world that can overcome a starting offensive line featuring 3 tackles in Lamm, Giacomini, and Clark that likely would not find work in the NFL if they were cut tomorrow.  Both starting Guards (Xavier Su'a Fila and Jeff Allen) embody the other incompetencies of the GM.

  • RT Derek Newton was a replacement level RT BEFORE he experienced a career ending injury 11 months ago.  His replacement, Chris Clark was an abject failure as a replacement and considering he is a 31 year old UDFA who was run out of Denver after he was pressed into starting duty after 3 years of riding their bench, he fits the profile of a guy who would likely be out of the league.  Our big offseason move was to sign someone with a profile WORSE than Clark's in 31 year old Breno Giacomini who flamed out for the Jets last year and few thought would make a roster.
  • RG Jeff Allen was a career LEFT guard signed to replace Brandon Brooks whom the Texans invested a redshirt season to get into shape who had developed into one of the top 10-12 RG's in the NFL.  He responded to getting a fat free agent contract by showing up fat and playing the entire season out of shape and slow.  The ONLY reason he is on the roster a 2nd season is the 4 yr/$28 million deal he was given after being a spot starter at KC (after losing his job after 2 seasons).
  • LG XSF was a ridiculous reach at #33 at a time where the Texans desperately needed a promising young QB (Bridgewater, Carr, Garappolo).  If that's an unfair comparison, #35 RG Joel Bitonio is a top 10 rated LG for Cleve (2nd highest paid in the NFL), #43 Weston Richburg top 10 rated C for Giants,  #59 RG Jack Mewhort decent 4 year starter for Colts, and #66 RT Morgan Moses is as top 5 RT for Washington.  XSF was at best a project player as a guy without an NFL position, terrible tape, and lacking NFL strength.  He has somehow managed to combine his abysmal fundamental pass protection skills evident from day one, with eating himself into a fat pathetic tub of goo who has multiple games now where he has given up 3+ sacks in an NFL game in a position where giving up more than 3 IN A SEASON puts your job in jeopardy 
  • LT Kendall Lamm.  Undrafted Project guy out of puny App State with 7 career games in 3 seasons.  Profiled as a guard lacking strength or a tackle lacking length or basically what he has been - late season injury replacement depth.  THIS is the guy playing the 3rd most important position in an NFL offense!

The Duane Brown thing is complicated, but that it dragged into the regular season is an absolute indictment of the GM as he clearly does NOT trust management on this team that has developed a reputation for throwing it's veterans to the curb after they risk their careers playing hurt because we have not depth.  Julie'n Davenport might eventually become a decent RT, but he's basically just a bucket of measurables from puny Bucknell who will need to be taught how to play football for at least 2 years.  Taking a guy like that is ok, but it means you HAVE to have quality veterans or game ready draftees to play while he sits inactive. 

WR situation is arguably WORSE considering how many quality veteran options were available and the complete lack of urgency to upgrade once Will Fuller went down and Strong was suspended.  Not having enough players to field a position should NEVER happen at the NFL level as an unheard of roster management failure.  The Bengals come to town this week with #9 overall pick John Ross #4 on their depth chart behind AJ Green, Lafell, and Tyler Boyd, while we have a RB or a QB just taking up space playing in the slot.  WHAT about Fuller/Miller/Strong last year indicated we were not in need of bringing in someone who was actually competent at playing WR at the NFL level when they were healthy, better yet looking at today's depth chart?  Same Walter/Jacoby/Martin/Posey/Damaris Johnson/Nate Washington/Mumphrey garbage depth chart that wasted so many great Andre Johnson years. Same failed decision maker.

 

I think at this point its a given that every posted on this board wants Smith gone. Majority wanted him gone with Kubs. 

Any GM replacements out there worth talking about?

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As for O'Brien, it is absolutely unfathomable to waste a 4th consecutive offseason preparing the wrong QB.  Beyond the talent/depth issues, one of the reasons this offense keeps getting worse and not better is that we keep throwing 80% of the prep work down a black hole.  The way offseasons and practice work these days, most teams have a 80/20 split AT BEST between starters and backups.  It took all of 2 quarters of football to see that 80% of that work was wasted on Savage, not to mention Lamm, XSF, and Allen all of whom were benched at points.  This week we had a guy signed in the preseason as our #3 WB and a RB out there once he got hurt.  Clearly Foreman wasn't prepped to play as Ervin was the #2 back which fell apart once he had to play WR.  Next week WR Andy Jones will be playing with about 2 weeks of practice and God knows who lines up at TE (not his fault other than his love of replacement level Ryan Grifffin). 

BTW - this is yet another reason you DON'T waste a roster position on a FB.  Prosch plays at best 10-15% of snaps a game and in games like today where you are playing from behind, he's never seeing the field.  You can line practically anyone at the FB position if you actually need it in short yardage situations (TE's, RB's, o-lineman, d-lineman), but Prosch has zero versitility.  Stephen Anderson is basically a WR/TE hybrid who has no business actually lining up alongside the tackle as he did today.  If we had an h-back or even a pure blocking TE if injuries do happen we at least have enough guys with speed/athleticism out there who know the route tree.  This old school power running crap HAS NOT worked with Lamar Miller who needs to be running OUTSIDE which means blocking TE's not a stupid FB.  Remind me - did Jordan Todman see the field today? Nah - didn't need Riley McArron, Chris Thompson, Dres Anderson, or Evan Bayliss more than those wasted spots with Fuller & Strong out. 

 

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Bring in Josh Mcdaniels. Possibly keep Vrebel as D.C.  Fire BOB now and let RAC coach the rest of the year. 

McDaniels did decently in Denver. He never really got a legit shot getting fired in his 2nd season. He would be near the top of my list. 

 

 But come on, who wouldn't want to bring in Dabo Swinney

Hopkins and Watson would have to love this  those two guys along with Foreman are the future of our team  that's our offensive big 3   

Bring in Swinney as a big splash headline grabber to give us something to talk about, but the guy has proven to be a good college coach  idk if he can coach in the pros but let's find out  

 

 

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amazingandre    17
5 minutes ago, Pastor Dillon said:

Bring in Josh Mcdaniels. Possibly keep Vrebel as D.C.  Fire BOB now and let RAC coach the rest of the year. 

McDaniels did decently in Denver. He never really got a legit shot getting fired in his 2nd season. He would be near the top of my list. 

 

 But come on, who wouldn't want to bring in Dabo Swinney

Hopkins and Watson would have to love this  those two guys along with Foreman are the future of our team  that's our offensive big 3   

Bring in Swinney as a big splash headline grabber to give us something to talk about, but the guy has proven to be a good college coach  idk if he can coach in the pros but let's find out  

 

 

Pretty sure he just signed an 8 year deal this past off-season. Doubt we are getting him, but it would be interesting to pair him with Hopkins and Watson.

What is everyones thoughts on Scott Pioli? The guy built some pretty impressive teams throughout his career.

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