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14 hours ago, TecmoSuperJoe said:

I wasn't being that serious about it, since we all don't know. I did find it funny though that around the time of that tirade post Shanahan made that statement. Chuckles. 

And BTW, I respect most people's intellect enough to not preface certain statements about future events as predictions based on my belief of what is to happen, instead of claiming what I'm about to say is a premonition of what will happen. Should go without saying most of the time :)

I can guarantee you, if Wilson falls in Shanny's lap (which I highly doubt btw, his stock is only going to rise), Jimmy's time here will be no more. That's my belief as an outsider but I'd bet money on it and I'm NOT a gambler at all. You're only as faithful as your options in most cases. Right now its just too early to diagnose what our options are.

I mean its hard look at the film of Jimmy this year and last, knowing the type of offensive mind Shanny is and not think he's beyond frustrated when he realizes what his offense could be if he had a QB that wasn't handcuffing him.

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6 hours ago, 757-NINER said:

You're only as faithful as your options in most cases

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6 hours ago, Forge said:

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I was secretly hoping last off-season that the Raiders would continue to do Raider things like move on from Carr and grab a QB in the draft. Then Lynch & Co would pounce and bring him in to back-up Jimmy. And then he would ultimately prove to be the better QB and take Jimmy's job, a la Tannenhill in Tennessee.

And I'm not even a Carr fan but he would be easy money in this offense. Like legit, MVP candidate type of numbers and efficiency with Shanny...not joking. 

And that's the thing...you don't need a world beater at QB with Shanny. If you can simply make the reads that are there, throw with anticipation and have a fairly accurate deepball, this offense could be Chiefs-like scary good. In all seriousness, when everyone is healthy and with a legit QB, we could go toe-to-toe and throw for throw with any offense in the league. That's why this Jimmy conundrum is ******* depressing. I'd even take a year flier on a guy like Mariota at this point. It couldn't be worst than watching Mullens impersonate a professional QB. 

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11 hours ago, 757-NINER said:

I can guarantee you, if Wilson falls in Shanny's lap (which I highly doubt btw, his stock is only going to rise), Jimmy's time here will be no more. That's my belief as an outsider but I'd bet money on it and I'm NOT a gambler at all. You're only as faithful as your options in most cases. Right now its just too early to diagnose what our options are.

I mean its hard look at the film of Jimmy this year and last, knowing the type of offensive mind Shanny is and not think he's beyond frustrated when he realizes what his offense could be if he had a QB that wasn't handcuffing him.

Well Kyle has no one to blame but himself for having Jimmy in his offense since he went after him. Granted he couldn't have forseen the injury issues and maybe mental issues that are going on with him now. 

I agree that the 49ers probably won't be in position to draft Wilson. Mac Jones it is. 

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53 minutes ago, TecmoSuperJoe said:

Well Kyle has no one to blame but himself for having Jimmy in his offense since he went after him. Granted he couldn't have forseen the injury issues and maybe mental issues that are going on with him now. 

I agree that the 49ers probably won't be in position to draft Wilson. Mac Jones it is. 

Kyle didn’t go after Jimmy. That was John Lynch’s doing and trade. 

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21 minutes ago, StevenK said:

Kyle didn’t go after Jimmy. That was John Lynch’s doing and trade. 

No way. Shanahan has his hands on every move on the offensive end. If he didn't want Jimmy then the deal doesn't get done.

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21 minutes ago, StevenK said:

Kyle didn’t go after Jimmy. That was John Lynch’s doing and trade. 

Which I'm sure Shanny was a 100% on board with. There's absolutely NO way Lynch makes that trade if Shanny doesn't sign off on it. 

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Just now, J-ALL-DAY said:

No way. Shanahan has his hands on every move on the offensive end. If he didn't want Jimmy then the deal doesn't get done.

Twinz!!!

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4 hours ago, TecmoSuperJoe said:

Well Kyle has no one to blame but himself for having Jimmy in his offense since he went after him. Granted he couldn't have forseen the injury issues and maybe mental issues that are going on with him now. 

I agree that the 49ers probably won't be in position to draft Wilson. Mac Jones it is. 

I think all of us wish 2017 Jimmy was here. That dude was incredible. Did all of the little things. Had great pocket awareness, was accurate, was cunning and had a jump on defenses. He went through his reads, saw the whole field, and had incredible situational awareness. Dude was absolutely MONEY on third down. That turning point (show on nbc) against the Titans really highlighted it, he walked each receiver though their route and how Tenn would play them, and then led the game winning drive. Amazing. It had been a lifetime since we had seen that type of QB play 

On episode one of the podcast, I called 2017 Jimmy a side stepping, side arming, son of a gun. The guy was walking on water. 

2018 he looked like he does in 2020 (aka bad) until the second half of the KC game. Granted it was only a handful of games but still, he was bad. 

2019 was inconsistent, but the plus plays were nice. The thing about it is, if you take away the Arizona games, his stats were not good. Granted we didn't have a lot at WR in the first half and had a ton of injuries, but he did flash at times. He played a helluva Superbowl but everyone only remembers the one missed pass 

So I think if you look at him as the guy in 2017 and only remember the flashes in 2019, then you will have a different perception on his performance this season, because you will assume that he's better than he has shown, or you may use the injury as an excuse.

Personally, I am really trying to be as objective as possible and call a spade a spade. I reserve the right to change my opinion with more data, because my current view of - let's save 25m next year - is a recent opinion of f how bad he was recently, especially against seattle (which again, the worst pass defense of all time. They have goddamn DJ Reed as a boundary corner LOL) 

I think I will take this moment to remind everyone that we are all niners fans and that we all may disagree with the best route for the niners to go, we all want #6

GO NINERS 

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11 hours ago, N4L said:

I think all of us wish 2017 Jimmy was here. That dude was incredible. Did all of the little things. Had great pocket awareness, was accurate, was cunning and had a jump on defenses. He went through his reads, saw the whole field, and had incredible situational awareness. Dude was absolutely MONEY on third down. That turning point (show on nbc) against the Titans really highlighted it, he walked each receiver though their route and how Tenn would play them, and then led the game winning drive. Amazing. It had been a lifetime since we had seen that type of QB play 

On episode one of the podcast, I called 2017 Jimmy a side stepping, side arming, son of a gun. The guy was walking on water. 

2018 he looked like he does in 2020 (aka bad) until the second half of the KC game. Granted it was only a handful of games but still, he was bad. 

2019 was inconsistent, but the plus plays were nice. The thing about it is, if you take away the Arizona games, his stats were not good. Granted we didn't have a lot at WR in the first half and had a ton of injuries, but he did flash at times. He played a helluva Superbowl but everyone only remembers the one missed pass 

So I think if you look at him as the guy in 2017 and only remember the flashes in 2019, then you will have a different perception on his performance this season, because you will assume that he's better than he has shown, or you may use the injury as an excuse.

Personally, I am really trying to be as objective as possible and call a spade a spade. I reserve the right to change my opinion with more data, because my current view of - let's save 25m next year - is a recent opinion of f how bad he was recently, especially against seattle (which again, the worst pass defense of all time. They have goddamn DJ Reed as a boundary corner LOL) 

I think I will take this moment to remind everyone that we are all niners fans and that we all may disagree with the best route for the niners to go, we all want #6

GO NINERS 

Hey if you take away Peyton Manning's 49 touchdowns in 2004 how many touchdowns does he have? :) 

Don't worry that's not all I took from this post, but yeah, deciding to take away two good games in 2019 from Jimmy to push a narrative is a little nutty to me. Because then you can just take away his two worst games and he'll look better in an already small sample size of 16 reduced to 14 if we push the narrative the other way. But why stop at 2 or 3 games. Why not his 5 best/worst games? I mean all the games happened for better or worse. Jimmy played decent, sometimes great ball in the majority of them last year. It wasn't just two and then he peaced out. I mean you said his stats (or how about more importantly play) were bad outside of two games? Yeah errrm...that's gonna be a no from me dawg. We weren't all losing our collective heads about him last year like we are this year, and any talk of him be replaced came after the Super Bowl at the earliest with emotions high following the loss. Ranked 11th in DYAR and DVOA. That sounds about right. Not too shabby coming off the bum knee. 

I can empathize with almost everything else you stated. 

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Barrows wrote an article using percentages and what he expects the most is keeping Jimmy and taking a QB in the 2nd round, someone like Mac Jones. 

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31 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

Barrows wrote an article using percentages and what he expects the most is keeping Jimmy and taking a QB in the 2nd round, someone like Mac Jones. 

This is largely where I'm at, though I'd assume that I'm closer to 50/50 than he is. 

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So what are the cap implications on moving on from Jimmy in 2022 as opposed to 2021?

He's essentially on one-year rentals from here on out correct???

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13 minutes ago, 757-NINER said:

So what are the cap implications on moving on from Jimmy in 2022 as opposed to 2021?

He's essentially on one-year rentals from here on out correct???

He has no guaranteed money left, dead cap is just the prorated bonus. We save almost the entire cap hit if we cut him. 

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On 11/21/2020 at 4:31 PM, Forge said:

He has no guaranteed money left, dead cap is just the prorated bonus. We save almost the entire cap hit if we cut him. 

I think the numbers are save 26 mill but two mill in dead cap....

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