Schools with players at a certain position that usually bust

[Ozzy]

7 hours ago, Scout said:

Scout traits not helmets 

Maybe but the college is the environment the player is developed in.  Some college football program cultures go beyond who is currently the head coach, and there are also cultures that are clearly brought alone by the head coach themselves and their system.  So one should pay a little attention to that in some regard and not completely write it off.  Miami FL, Florida State, LSU and Alabama have the most professional football players in the league from each specific college for a reason.  To say that prospect environment is the exact same in terms of development, what they went through and who they competed against to a player on Texas Tech...  yeah right....

 

 

 

[Danger]

On 9/14/2017 at 11:58 AM, MSURacerDT55 said:

 

LSU - DL

Penn State - Running Backs

LSU - Bennie Logan 
Penn State - Larry Johnson had two real good seasons. Saquon is something special though. All previous RB's were under the same Paterno way and system. Can't necessarily say that Barkley will pan out like those that came before him. "This ain't your poppy's Penn State"

[Iamcanadian]

On 9/15/2017 at 7:35 AM, Ozzy said:

Maybe but the college is the environment the player is developed in.  Some college football program cultures go beyond who is currently the head coach, and there are also cultures that are clearly brought alone by the head coach themselves and their system.  So one should pay a little attention to that in some regard and not completely write it off.  Miami FL, Florida State, LSU and Alabama have the most professional football players in the league from each specific college for a reason.  To say that prospect environment is the exact same in terms of development, what they went through and who they competed against to a player on Texas Tech...  yeah right....

 

 

 

Not completely sure what you are trying to say, but those 4 schools produced a lot of pros because they can/could recruit better than most colleges. If you recruit a boatload of 5 star  and 4 star high school players like these schools do, you are bound to produce more NFL players than schools that are very lucky to get 1 or 2 4 star players at best.

It is not really environment that counts, it is how good your HC is as a recruiter. Alabama was in a tough period of failure before hiring Saban as their HC, now they out recruit everybody else because top recruits want to play for a HC who produces a lot of pros for the NFL. Texas and Tennessee used to be top schools but have fallen on tough times because they have hired HC's who could not get the job done and so a lot of top recruits avoid them now. Even Miami which once topped the list for recruits has now found recruiting to be a much tougher subject

[Iamcanadian]

On 9/12/2017 at 4:32 PM, CalhounLambeau said:

Most of this stuff is so circumstantial and when you combine that with small sample sizes, etc, it all means nothing. Outside of school stigma's involving North Carolina (off-field and discipline issues with Butch Davis players) and Clemson (notorious for soft players and spoiling top players for a time) over the last 15 years there's really nothing out there that is definitive and real.

I really disagree, every college HC has tendencies as to where he places his better athletes each spring when they are freshmen. Shaw at Stanford for instance, sends a lot of TE's to the pros, so GM's and scouts realize that he has a tendency to place a superior athlete at that position rather than switching him to defense to play say, LB.

Most college HC's only have so many real 5 star athletes, no matter how they were ranked in high school, and as I said, each college HC has to decide where he will place these better athletes and believe me GM's and scouts keep a book on college HC's tendencies in this matter.

If you want to be a solid draftnik, you had better study where college HC's put their better athletes or you will get burned time and again by taking inferior athletes just because they played for a top program and were surrounded by great athletes that made them look better than they were.