vike daddy Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Cousins talked about the offensive coordinator change from Kevin Stefanski to Gary Kubiak. He said he was thankful that there won’t be too much change to the offense because Kubiak was on hand last season, which should help the team “get on the same page as quickly as possible” so that they can win enough games early in the year that they avoid being on the road in the playoffs again next season. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/29/kirk-cousins-hopes-loss-to-49ers-galvanizes-vikings/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I didn't know exactly where to put this in our existing threads, but this is a pretty telling graph of Mr. Kubiak's offense this year... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpMc Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Old school thinking combined with a defensive head coach = ultra conservative on second and long. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshpit23 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 hours ago, SemperFeist said: This looks painful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywindO2 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 hours ago, swede700 said: I didn't know exactly where to put this in our existing threads, but this is a pretty telling graph of Mr. Kubiak's offense this year... I don't think Zimmer is guiltless here. For years, he's wanted to be a run first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 hours ago, skywindO2 said: I don't think Zimmer is guiltless here. For years, he's wanted to be a run first team. We were a run first team under Stefanski, too. Yet, the results were much different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) the run first, play defense died the second the NFL got QBs like Mahomes, Jackson, Murray, Allen, etc. and these high-powered offenses that can score in 2 minutes like a warm knife through butter and you're down 21-3 before you can blink. That strategy can perhaps get you to the playoffs and MAYBE win a game but it's laughable how far we are behind these offenses that have 4-5 top tier weapons to the point where it's impossible to contain them for 60 minutes. I understand that we've had a couple nice comebacks under Kirk/Zimmer but this offense isn't built to play from 14 down or keep pace with the top offenses in the league which means we'll never truly compete for a Super Bowl unless we do get an offense where we can keep pace. We have two great WRs, a top-5 RB, a TE that can stretch the field but we don't have a QB or a coach to use those weapons like they SHOULD be used. Isn't that why Diggs wanted out? Edited October 30, 2020 by Vikes_Bolts1228 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 12 hours ago, Vikes_Bolts1228 said: the run first, play defense died the second the NFL got QBs like Mahomes, Jackson, Murray, Allen, etc. and these high-powered offenses that can score in 2 minutes like a warm knife through butter and you're down 21-3 before you can blink. That strategy can perhaps get you to the playoffs and MAYBE win a game but it's laughable how far we are behind these offenses that have 4-5 top tier weapons to the point where it's impossible to contain them for 60 minutes. I understand that we've had a couple nice comebacks under Kirk/Zimmer but this offense isn't built to play from 14 down or keep pace with the top offenses in the league which means we'll never truly compete for a Super Bowl unless we do get an offense where we can keep pace. We have two great WRs, a top-5 RB, a TE that can stretch the field but we don't have a QB or a coach to use those weapons like they SHOULD be used. Isn't that why Diggs wanted out? I thought you were going to say it died the moment that the Vikings drafted Randy. I still see teams like the Titans and Steelers (although they can at times) that don't fling the ball all around the yard and still win plenty of games. While it may not be the prevalent style, it still can be successful...and can be effective. And you bring up Jackson...last I checked, Baltimore isn't a high-powered offense. They are clearly a run-first team...as is Arizona. The difference is that they have QBs who act more like RBs who can throw the ball a little. If the Vikings can manage to get a guy like that (which clearly Kirk is not), maybe they can be like that. That's possibly why Case Keenum was so effective here. Sure, it was clear that Zimmer wasn't immensely fond of the "off-schedule" stuff that Case did, but he was fine with the way Teddy did it, since Teddy was mobile within the scope of the offense and didn't basically throw 50-50 balls every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I think the run first offense can still work but they need a much better offensive line 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpMc Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, vikesfan89 said: I think the run first offense can still work but they need a much better offensive line You can be run first, and still not run the ball religiously on 2nd and long. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, RpMc said: You can be run first, and still not run the ball religiously on 2nd and long. This. Context of play calling matters........so, sure, try to run the ball a lot, but not on 2nd and long (and certainly not THE MOST in the NFL). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, RpMc said: You can be run first, and still not run the ball religiously on 2nd and long. Definitely agree on that. Apparently, he is running far too often on 2nd and long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikeManDan Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 That graph is disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) I wish Kubiak utilized the Tight Ends more. I think Irv Smith can be great. He's already an awesome blocking Tight End but we need to get him the ball in the air. Cousins always did well throwing to his TEs too! Edited November 2, 2020 by SteelKing728 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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