topwop1 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Thelonebillsfan said: And in a year Foles won't be there and even if he is, okay, you win 8 games this year and then what. Minshew is young and has shown flashes of brilliance, stick with him and see what you have rather than just going with a guy everybody knows will not be there going forward. Decisions like these are why these franchises are always struggling to get off the mat. How do we know that Foles will not be there going forward? Unless they can find a trading partner willing to take on Foles salary and cap hits for the next few years then they will have to take on a dead cap hit of at least $21M for 2020 and more in the years that follow if they outright release him. That doesn't seem like a likely scenario. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, TheKillerNacho said: I cannot fathom this decision. It has a lot to do with money. Bad optics paying a guy $30M for the 2019 season only to ride pine when he's healthy enough to play. Marrone is also coaching for his job and as good of a job as Minshew has done to this point he is going to go with his veteran guy in this scenario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Wrong move IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissooner49er Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Minshew has been good and bad, so I don't hate the decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 The only way Minshew was keeping this job is if he won a bunch of games. But with the team at 4-5, the front office would be hard pressed to explain to ownership why they spent $80M on a guy to play 11 snaps while his backup leads the team to a losing record. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 This is why the Jaguars haven't gone anywhere in years. Decisions like this one aren't what smart football teams do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 3 hours ago, pwny said: The only way Minshew was keeping this job is if he won a bunch of games. But with the team at 4-5, the front office would be hard pressed to explain to ownership why they spent $80M on a guy to play 11 snaps while his backup leads the team to a losing record. Exactly. People can act like Minshew is the Future all they want but if Foles comes in and does what Foles always seems to do, Win. He, like Garopolo in NE might have to wait. People are acting like Minshew wasn't a TO machine? He was! Those TO aided in that 4-5 record. Him coming back down to Earth aided in that 4-5 record. If they were sitgling here at 6-3, We wouldn't be having this conversation, but they're not. Is BDN guaranteed to start a Winning streak and take them to the Playoffs, of course not. Would it surprise me in the least given the nature of the AFC if he did, Not in the slightest. Which is what the Jags are hoping as well. The other optic getting lost is this. You can't justify leaving Minshew in with Foles contract on the books until You've SEEN Foles fail multiple games as a Jag. If he does , Then they can justify going back to the Rookie. If he doesn't, you've made your Run and have a great situation moving forward at QB. Something I as a Eagle Fan can fully attest to. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 45 minutes ago, jrry32 said: This is why the Jaguars haven't gone anywhere in years. Decisions like this one aren't what smart football teams do. What are they, 2 years removed from the AFCCG? They would have went on to the SB that year had they let Gardner start this week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 16 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: What are they, 2 years removed from the AFCCG? They would have went on to the SB that year had they let Gardner start this week. My point wasn't that they haven't had a good year. My point was that they haven't been a consistent playoff team (over a period of multiple years) in a very long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 54 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said: The other optic getting lost is this. You can't justify leaving Minshew in with Foles contract on the books until You've SEEN Foles fail multiple games as a Jag. If he does , Then they can justify going back to the Rookie. If he doesn't, you've made your Run and have a great situation moving forward at QB. Something I as a Eagle Fan can fully attest to. The worst place you can be in the NFL is QB purgatory. You assume that there are only two scenarios: 1. Foles comes in, kills it, and leads the Jaguars to the playoffs; or 2. Foles comes in, sucks, and Minshew becomes the starter. You're missing a third possibility. Foles comes in, is fairly average (not bad enough to bench but not good enough to make them a playoff team), and the Jaguars win 7 to 9 games and miss the playoffs. Now, what do you do? You don't know if Minshew is a starting QB or a flash in the pan. Foles wasn't good enough to say no to an upgrade or bad enough to bench. Where does that leave the Jaguars? In QB purgatory without an idea of what Minshew is. And do you start Foles in 2020 or go back to Minshew? If Marrone and the FO weren't fighting for their jobs, they'd make the move that benefits the franchise the most, starting Minshew. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 You won't ever know which of the 3 scenarios occur without putting him in there to find out. As unlikely as it seems right now, you forgot a 4th option. Not only does Nick Take them the Playoffs but they somehow have a Magical run winning the SB! That scenario has already occurred once in his career, next to impossible it would occur this year as a Rookie with Minshew. That's why he's Starting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said: You won't ever know which of the 3 scenarios occur without putting him in there to find out. As unlikely as it seems right now, you forgot a 4th option. Not only does Nick Take them the Playoffs but they somehow have a Magical run winning the SB! That scenario has already occurred once in his career, next to impossible it would occur this year as a Rookie with Minshew. That's why he's Starting. Yeah. Exactly. You don't know what you have in Foles, unless you give it a whirl. Minshew has been...essentially QB purgatory thus far. Which is darn impressive for a late round rookie being throw into the fire from Week 1. But as much as he's done a lot of good things, he's also had his struggles. So you throw Foles in there and see what all the megacontract hubub is about. If he sucks, fine...you bench him and Minshew comes riding in on a moustache to save the day once again. With renewed vigor. If Foles is actually good and they go on a bit of a run...that's good news. Your QB situation is sorted for now. If that hypothetical worst case "3rd scenario" happens and Foles is just "okay" and comes in, basically carries on the same sort of record Minshew has managed with this team...you play him out until the point you're no longer in the running for a playoff spot, and you bench him and go back to Minshew. It's not really as complicated a decision as a lot of people are making it out to be. It's basically a no-lose situation, where you get to find out if Foles has the stuff to do more...or not. Worst case...Minshew is still under contract for a good while, and you'll have plenty of time to go back to that if Foles does indeed suck, or leads the team to an equally slightly below mediocre record. Going back to Foles doesn't mean they're like...trading Minshew away or something. Like...It's Gardner Minshew. The guy knows how to take a back seat. He was darn near about to intentionally sit himself on the bench, until Mike Leach called him up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Tugboat said: Yeah. Exactly. You don't know what you have in Foles, unless you give it a whirl. Minshew has been...essentially QB purgatory thus far. Which is darn impressive for a late round rookie being throw into the fire from Week 1. But as much as he's done a lot of good things, he's also had his struggles. So you throw Foles in there and see what all the megacontract hubub is about. If he sucks, fine...you bench him and Minshew comes riding in on a moustache to save the day once again. With renewed vigor. If Foles is actually good and they go on a bit of a run...that's good news. Your QB situation is sorted for now. If that hypothetical worst case "3rd scenario" happens and Foles is just "okay" and comes in, basically carries on the same sort of record Minshew has managed with this team...you play him out until the point you're no longer in the running for a playoff spot, and you bench him and go back to Minshew. It's not really as complicated a decision as a lot of people are making it out to be. It's basically a no-lose situation, where you get to find out if Foles has the stuff to do more...or not. Worst case...Minshew is still under contract for a good while, and you'll have plenty of time to go back to that if Foles does indeed suck, or leads the team to an equally slightly below mediocre record. Going back to Foles doesn't mean they're like...trading Minshew away or something. Like...It's Gardner Minshew. The guy knows how to take a back seat. He was darn near about to intentionally sit himself on the bench, until Mike Leach called him up. You have it backwards. You don't know what you have in Minshew until you let him play it out. Foles is nearly 31 years old and has been in the NFL for 8 years. It's not hard to figure out what he is. And your idea of just going back to Minshew once you're out of the hunt isn't a good one. You need as many games as possible to evaluate Minshew. Going to the guy for the final couple of games doesn't do any real good when it comes to determining what you have going forward. And the claim that it's a no-lose situation is simply wrong. The Jaguars could very well have a hard decision to make this offseason about the QB position. They need to do what they can to know what they have in Minshew. Foles is Foles. 1 hour ago, Nabbs4u said: You won't ever know which of the 3 scenarios occur without putting him in there to find out. As unlikely as it seems right now, you forgot a 4th option. Not only does Nick Take them the Playoffs but they somehow have a Magical run winning the SB! That scenario has already occurred once in his career, next to impossible it would occur this year as a Rookie with Minshew. That's why he's Starting. Except Foles has a long track record in the NFL. And that track record says that he's QB purgatory. Edited November 6, 2019 by jrry32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Except Foles has a long track record in the NFL. And that track record says that he's QB purgatory. His only track record that sucks is as a Ram , under QB Guru of Purgatory himself Jeff Fisher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said: His only track record that sucks is as a Ram , under QB Guru of Purgatory himself Jeff Fisher. His career numbers are mediocre across the board. 2:1 TD:Int Ratio, 7.1 YPA, 88.7 Passer Rating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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