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1 hour ago, jrry32 said:

His career numbers are mediocre across the board. 2:1 TD:Int Ratio, 7.1 YPA, 88.7 Passer Rating.

So in essence,  a more accomplished Jared Goff, Gotcha!

2:1 TD:Int Ratio, 7.7 YPA, 93.1 Passer Rating, No SB MVP, No Jersey's "Plural" in the HOF? Gotcha!

Take away theJeff Fisher debacle of the Rams and there numbers are even more similar without being a full time Starter.

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11 minutes ago, Oregon Ducks said:

Minshew is way overrated. 

Well somebody had to fill the Baker Mayfield shoes from last season.

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4 hours ago, jrry32 said:

The worst place you can be in the NFL is QB purgatory. You assume that there are only two scenarios:

1. Foles comes in, kills it, and leads the Jaguars to the playoffs; or

2. Foles comes in, sucks, and Minshew becomes the starter.

You're missing a third possibility. Foles comes in, is fairly average (not bad enough to bench but not good enough to make them a playoff team), and the Jaguars win 7 to 9 games and miss the playoffs. Now, what do you do? You don't know if Minshew is a starting QB or a flash in the pan. Foles wasn't good enough to say no to an upgrade or bad enough to bench. Where does that leave the Jaguars? In QB purgatory without an idea of what Minshew is. And do you start Foles in 2020 or go back to Minshew?

If Marrone and the FO weren't fighting for their jobs, they'd make the move that benefits the franchise the most, starting Minshew.

They already know who minshew is. 

The guy needs experience. Experience can also come in practice and watching how another guy works and prepares. He can still learn while he's on the bench. Look at guys like Rodgers and Garoppolo. 

He was starting to develop some bad habits. sometimes it's good for a guy to get their feet wet, have some ups and downs, take their lumps, then have a few games to watch how a veteran does it. 

Let's not forget he's in the first year of his rookie contract. The jags are going to have him on their roster for another 3 seasons after this one. The people clamoring for him to continue starting act like they just cut him or sent him to the moon or something. He's still on their roster and is a part of their future regardless of who starts the rest of this year

This is the right move. Minshew had some good games but like I said, he was developing bad habits. Watching Nick after playing so much will help him tremendously 

I actually think this is the best move for his long term development 

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2 hours ago, jrry32 said:

The Jaguars could very well have a hard decision to make this offseason about the QB position. They need to do what they can to know what they have in Minshew.

This is a front office that is only one of three in NFL history to draft a QB top 10, have the QB flop and still keep their jobs. They then went out and spent $80M on a QB that has played 11 snaps for the team.

The team is going to have another losing record this year if things keep up how they are. Do you really think they care whether they find out if Minshew is the guy? All they care about is finding a way to keep their job, and the way towards that is not by having to explain why they spent $80M on a QB that’s viewed worse than a 6th round rookie that’s not even winning games.

This decision was obvious from miles away. Losing games and having to explain why they spent big on another trash QB they lost faith in to win them games after 11 snaps is about the closest thing to a guarantee that people get fired as there is. And in the end, that’s all they care about.

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3 hours ago, jrry32 said:

You have it backwards. You don't know what you have in Minshew until you let him play it out. Foles is nearly 31 years old and has been in the NFL for 8 years. It's not hard to figure out what he is. And your idea of just going back to Minshew once you're out of the hunt isn't a good one. You need as many games as possible to evaluate Minshew. Going to the guy for the final couple of games doesn't do any real good when it comes to determining what you have going forward.

And the claim that it's a no-lose situation is simply wrong. The Jaguars could very well have a hard decision to make this offseason about the QB position. They need to do what they can to know what they have in Minshew. Foles is Foles.

Except Foles has a long track record in the NFL. And that track record says that he's QB purgatory.

Ehhh...i think they have a decent idea what they have in Minshew at this point.  

If you're saying Nick Foles is what he's been...aside from the Rams stint, that's mostly been better than what Minshew has been.  That's the "hail mary" aspect.  If Foles actually does come in and spark something.  That's the only chance the Jaguars have of making the playoffs at this point.  Big spark, and a crazy run.  It's not likely, and i'm not some big Nick Foles disciple...but you have to at least try it.

 

You're framing it like they're somehow going to be locked and loaded clear cut obvious whether Minshew is the QB of the future or not, based on probably 3-4 games mid-season that he might miss while they give Foles some run.  I don't get it.  That's not going to really make a huge difference either way, in assessing whether Minshew is the guy or not.  The Jaguars are going to be in an awkward QB situation no matter what basically...unless Foles steps in and plays like a legit quality starter with a strong winning record.

Even if you just run Minshew out for the rest of the season...it's still going to be an up in the air question for the future of the Jaguars QB position.  Is he really the answer?  Is he really the guy you're going to hitch your wagon to for the next decade?  Does he have the upside to be that good?  Or is he just amazingly prepared to step in and hold the fort as a very experienced rookie?  Is he just going to put you in David Garrard territory again for years?  Those questions on whether Minshew is The Answer or not, are going to persist...no matter what you do.

 

By running Foles out there, you can at least settle that component of the QB equation in Jacksonville.  You can find out pretty quickly, if Foles is going to be a short term answer or not.  Work around his unmovable dead cap from there.  You're simply never going to know if Foles can be the guy for a couple years or not...unless you try it.  Minshew will always still be there as a safety net - but as it stands right now, he's not taking this team to the playoffs.  It'd be stupid to not at least try something else...when you already have it in house, with a lot invested in it.

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The financial politics are going to get Foles out on the field. Nature of the business. Always follow the money. Minshew would have had to have had the Jaguars maybe lose only two games while playing sensational as a rookie. Tall order. Foles should get a long leash now though. Unless he's absolutely putrid, can't take him out. Playing musical chairs at QB isn't the answer. 

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Hm. Not a fan. Strikes me as a sunk cost fallacy kind of move. They're not starting Foles because it's best for the team, they're starting Foles to try to justify the money they've already spent on Foles. But they've spent that regardless, so just start the best QB. I'm not going to pretend Minshew has been elite, but he's played well enough that had he been a first round pick, everyone would be talking about how the Jaguars are getting an excellent early return on their investment and he looks like a QBOTF. But since Minshew was low investment, they're going to try to justify their higher investment QB instead. It's a business move, not a football one, and that's poor prioritization.

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Minshew was dragging an average team along with his decent play. He really had one bad game, and unfortunately for him it was that game that mattered as BDN is fit again.

I expect to see Foles be decent enough, but not great, and be traded to someone on the off season.

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Mishew totally Mayfield'd in the 4th Q in London. Two terrible throws for INT's and a fumble. He may not throw many INT's but he does cough it up a good bit. 

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Minshew will always have Denver.  

Our 2020 draft position thanks him for that.

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This is the most obvious decision the Jags could make. It'd be a whole lot easier to bench Foles and go back to Minshew than the other way around.

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2 hours ago, sammymvpknight said:

He’s a rookie QB. 

It's funny isn't it.

This kid isn't some finished product. He's played very well for a rookie QB regardless of draft position.

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