CWood21 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 9 hours ago, VanS said: True. But I could see elite talent in Murray from Day 1. So him going #1 in the draft was no surprise. Nobody can say Burrow flashed elite talent before this season. I just think most people make the mistake of thinking high rate production means top tier talent all the time. Sometimes guys can be productive in college and not really that talented. Joe Burrow seems to be one of those guys to me. Never felt that way about Kyler Murray. You’re telling me you saw 1st overall play from Murray at A&M? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanS Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 7 hours ago, CWood21 said: You’re telling me you saw 1st overall play from Murray at A&M? Absolutely. Now I didn't think a NFL team would have the guts to do it given his size but I saw elite talent from the first game. His explosive running ability and arm talent were clearly evident. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 7 hours ago, CWood21 said: I just think most people make the mistake of thinking high rate production means top tier talent all the time. Sometimes guys can be productive in college and not really that talented. Joe Burrow seems to be one of those guys to me. Never felt that way about Kyler Murray. I think that this is fair, given that he's not elite in anything he has, strictly in regards to tangibles: Arm Strength: Above Average Accuracy: Really good to great Frame: Average (6'3, 215) Age: 23+, below average Footwork: Good Athleticism: Plus athlete That said, when it comes to intangibles, here's what he brings that people like: Leadership, Huddle Presence, the ability to go through progressions/presnap reads. I think that IF you like JB, you like the "sum is greater than the parts". If you don't, you are afraid that it took 5 years to click and he's not "great" at anything. I stand by my Cousins comparison to Burrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Arm Strength: Above Average It's very average, to be honest. 11 minutes ago, MWil23 said: I stand by my Cousins comparison to Burrow. I don't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zappa13004 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 18 hours ago, VanS said: True. But I could see elite talent in Murray from Day 1. So him going #1 in the draft was no surprise. Nobody can say Burrow flashed elite talent before this season. I just think most people make the mistake of thinking high rate production means top tier talent all the time. Sometimes guys can be productive in college and not really that talented. Joe Burrow seems to be one of those guys to me. Never felt that way about Kyler Murray. okay, i get your opinion. we'll see. Burrow will be drafted and possibly as the #1 so we'll see in 2020. I am not affirmative, he will success or fail, i dont know. I just think he is legit as a #1, we'll see what will happen next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Funny, this article tries to address the same thing: https://theathletic.com/1400048/2019/11/22/joe-burrow-lsu-football-quarterback-nfl-draft-stock-turnaround-sec/ Some highlights: Quote So as Burrow shoots up NFL draft boards and gets discussed as a potential No. 1 overall pick, those who study these things for a living struggle to come to terms with a season none of them could see coming. “It’s really unprecedented, and it really doesn’t make sense,” Renner said. Quote The problem is there’s simply never been a turnaround like this. Brugler has asked every scout and evaluator he knows if they’ve seen anything like it, he’s yet to get a great answer. The best he’s heard is Penn State’s Kerry Collins going from 51 percent for 1,605 yards in 1993 to 67 percent for 2,679 yards in 1994. Connelly’s best suggestion is USC’s Carson Palmer completing 58 percent for 2,717 yards and 12 touchdowns in 2001 before winning the Heisman in 2002 at 64 percent for 3,942 yards and 33 touchdowns. That comparison also works because it’s a similar case of a powerhouse school in the early stages of a turnaround with a new coach (Pete Carroll) like LSU with Ed Orgeron. Renner may have the best comparison: Russell Wilson. He completed 58 percent of his passes for 6.8 yards per attempt in 2010 at NC State. Then, he transferred to Wisconsin and completed 73 percent for 10.3 yards per attempt. And even with Wilson, he still was only a third-round pick. Quote So what’s been the overall key to this turnaround? That’s been difficult to pinpoint. Ask Burrow, he says footwork. Ask his father, Jimmy, and he points to 2018 being the first time Joe played games in three years. Ask the average fan, and they will say passing game coordinator Joe Brady and LSU’s new spread offense. Oh, and don’t forget the development of one of the best receiving corps in all of football in Ja’Marr Chase, Justin Jefferson and Terrace Marshall. One common response from Brugler and Renner stems from a greater confidence and understanding of the offense. He got “skittish” when pressure came last season. He took off running too quickly. He tossed up some jump balls and didn’t step into his throws. Orgeron acknowledged: “When he came in, I think he was unsure of the offense. So he wasn’t letting the ball go as quick as he wanted to.” Now, with a year of experience at LSU and a full offseason to work with his receivers, Burrow is in complete command of the offense. He knows what the defense is doing, knows where his hot routes and checkdowns are going to be and can negotiate pressure in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. This upgrade in knowledge, footwork and experience has allowed him to make better decisions and to step into his throws more consistently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Burrow still looks like Brady. Of course, you can’t compare him to GOAT Tom Brady, but man he looks like Brady throwing the football. You put him in a Patriots uni and I’m not sure that you’d be able to tell the difference on their posture and release. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, sammymvpknight said: Burrow still looks like Brady. Of course, you can’t compare him to GOAT Tom Brady, but man he looks like Brady throwing the football. You put him in a Patriots uni and I’m not sure that you’d be able to tell the difference on their posture and release. Given the rise in popularity of dual threat QBs, I do wonder if he will drop ever so slightly. Of course that's probably wishful thinking on my part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Xenos said: Given the rise in popularity of dual threat QBs, I do wonder if he will drop ever so slightly. Of course that's probably wishful thinking on my part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 He is the next Brady I love watching Burrow play he reminds me this year of how Russell Wilson has turned in an MVP season. Like everything has slowed down for him and he doesn’t the little things that make a big difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 7 hours ago, brownie man said: He is the next Brady I love watching Burrow play he reminds me this year of how Russell Wilson has turned in an MVP season. Like everything has slowed down for him and he doesn’t the little things that make a big difference He has this weird aura of greatness about him. His poise, confidence, and toughness are off the Richter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 I don’t get the age concern with Burrow. Aaron Rodgers didn’t become the starter until his 24/25 year old season. Burrow turns 23 in two days. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 I wonder if DJ Chark is going to be a starter for the Jags next year...after all he wasn’t that good last year and he only has one year of production. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m haynes Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I love it, lets find the warts. They did this to NBAs Ja Morant. They said he jumped wrong !!! GMAFB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 @VanS can you please tell us why you DON'T like him? I won't even make you say that you're just wrong, because I know yo'u're way too stubborn and self-absorbed to admit that...but can you at least explain why you don't think he's worthy of a #1 overall selection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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