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1 hour ago, Leader said:

 

That is too bad.  But all things must end.  At least we have documentation of it that will be reasonably thorough.  It is estimated that 99% of all species that have ever lived on Earth are extinct.  Imagine how many creatures existed that we will never know about because they left no traces of their existence.  Off the top of your head how many dinosaurs can you think of? I am guessing that I could name somewhere around 70 (I might actually try to write down as many as I can remember if I get a chance at work tomorrow).  And that is over a 65 million year time frame.  There is no way we have discovered all diversity of life that has lived on this planet.

I don't know where I was going with this... I just like learning, but I am tired.  I don't want those rhinos to be extinct, but like everything else that failed to adapt, it is now gone. 

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10 hours ago, DavidatMIZZOU said:

That is too bad.  But all things must end.  At least we have documentation of it that will be reasonably thorough.  It is estimated that 99% of all species that have ever lived on Earth are extinct.  Imagine how many creatures existed that we will never know about because they left no traces of their existence.  Off the top of your head how many dinosaurs can you think of? I am guessing that I could name somewhere around 70 (I might actually try to write down as many as I can remember if I get a chance at work tomorrow).  And that is over a 65 million year time frame.  There is no way we have discovered all diversity of life that has lived on this planet.

I don't know where I was going with this... I just like learning, but I am tired.  I don't want those rhinos to be extinct, but like everything else that failed to adapt, it is now gone. 

I'd submit that its the humans who have failed to adapt.

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15 minutes ago, Leader said:

Perhaps you could explain how a Rhinoceros is supposed to adapt to high powered rifles.

I guess I took exception to the fact that you laid it on humans in general.  It certainly wasn't for lack of trying to prevent poachers.  A few bad people and a market for rhino horns is the problem.  Not really a failure to adapt as a whole.  My apology for the way I put it.

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3 minutes ago, eyecatcher said:

I guess I took exception to the fact that you laid it on humans in general.  It certainly wasn't for lack of trying to prevent poachers.  A few bad people and a market for rhino horns is the problem.  Not really a failure to adapt as a whole.  My apology for the way I put it.

No apology needed but I was laying on humans in general. The decline / eradication of this type of Rhinoceros was due to a whole host of human activities and actions. Alot of them - with multiple roots and causes.

I'm not aware of any disease inherent to the species which was killing them off - and now there are no more - save for genetic engineering or the pregnant Rhino mentioned by Shanedorf.

In a world packed to the gills with more people than it struggles to sustain - such an animal will certainly be challenged to find or maintain its niche but thats where human assistance is necessary. I guess the last gasp, fallback is the zoos.

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2 hours ago, Shanedorf said:

The San Diego Zoo has recently reported a pregnant Northern White Rhino, so there's still hope for another male

That is good.  But doesn't it then run into the problem of very low genetic variation?

2 hours ago, Leader said:

I'd submit that its the humans who have failed to adapt.

I very much disagree.  Humans are one of the most adaptable creatures on this planet.  Now we can criticize the culture that values rhino horns, but that is not an adaptability or survival trait, it is a different discussion.  All I was talking about was pure species survival.  There is a neat youtube channel called tier zoo that ranks animal "builds" like RPG characters.  I think you would like it.  I will link a video below. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, DavidatMIZZOU said:

That is good.  But doesn't it then run into the problem of very low genetic variation?

Yes it certainly does but the Frozen Zoo has been collecting and storing sperm and eggs for years so there is some variability in the gene pool

Q: Do you know how they collect Rhino sperm ?

A: Interns

Rhino's in the wild and in captivity are given a mild sedative and then.... you just ring the bell

 

 

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51 minutes ago, DavidatMIZZOU said:

That is good.  But doesn't it then run into the problem of very low genetic variation?

I very much disagree.  Humans are one of the most adaptable creatures on this planet.  Now we can criticize the culture that values rhino horns, but that is not an adaptability or survival trait, it is a different discussion.  All I was talking about was pure species survival.  There is a neat youtube channel called tier zoo that ranks animal "builds" like RPG characters.  I think you would like it.  I will link a video below.

 

???? I think you misunderstood my comment. Clearly humans are a very adaptable species. Thats wasnt the thrust of my comment to eyecatcher.

My thought was that Rhino's couldnt be considered to adapt to high powered rifles. There's nothing "natural" about that selection process.

Human activity - for whatever reason - that drives a species to extinction is by its very nature a failure to adapt IMO. This species being put on the brink of total extinction wasnt cause by a confluence of "natural" conditions.

You want them around for hunting? Fine. Best not kill them all off.

You want them as a "commodity?" (read: horns) - Fine. Read above.

Add on edit: We're killing off sharks in massive numbers - for sport and/or to harvest their fins to make some bogus medicine.

They're a vital and necessary top predator in the ocean's ecosystems. We're already experiencing harmful effects where their numbers have been reduced so far that the ecosystem itself is "out of balance" with other species. This is known. This is happening and being witnessed.

We - humans - need to adapt our behavior. The sharks - although having been around for millions and millions of years - wont adapt or change fast enough to protect themselves from us.

 

 

 

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20 hours ago, DavidatMIZZOU said:

That is too bad.  But all things must end.  At least we have documentation of it that will be reasonably thorough.  It is estimated that 99% of all species that have ever lived on Earth are extinct.  Imagine how many creatures existed that we will never know about because they left no traces of their existence.  Off the top of your head how many dinosaurs can you think of? I am guessing that I could name somewhere around 70 (I might actually try to write down as many as I can remember if I get a chance at work tomorrow).  And that is over a 65 million year time frame.  There is no way we have discovered all diversity of life that has lived on this planet.

I don't know where I was going with this... I just like learning, but I am tired.  I don't want those rhinos to be extinct, but like everything else that failed to adapt, it is now gone. 

Yet the summit still can't bring itself to purposely annihilate mosquitoes despite how many times they've met over it.

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18 minutes ago, HyponGrey said:

Yet the summit still can't bring itself to purposely annihilate mosquitoes despite how many times they've met over it.

Mosquitoes are much better survivors than rhinoceroses.  They are more adaptable to a changing environment or invading threat.

 

6 hours ago, squire12 said:

Sad to hear about the white rhino...or any animal really. 

 

Any chance the unborn white rhino can develop into a pass rusher?

I bet it would be too easy to draw it offsides, wouldn't make it out of camp.

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7 hours ago, Leader said:

???? I think you misunderstood my comment. Clearly humans are a very adaptable species. Thats wasnt the thrust of my comment to eyecatcher.

My thought was that Rhino's couldnt be considered to adapt to high powered rifles. There's nothing "natural" about that selection process.

Human activity - for whatever reason - that drives a species to extinction is by its very nature a failure to adapt IMO. This species being put on the brink of total extinction wasnt cause by a confluence of "natural" conditions.

You want them around for hunting? Fine. Best not kill them all off.

You want them as a "commodity?" (read: horns) - Fine. Read above.

Add on edit: We're killing off sharks in massive numbers - for sport and/or to harvest their fins to make some bogus medicine.

They're a vital and necessary top predator in the ocean's ecosystems. We're already experiencing harmful effects where their numbers have been reduced so far that the ecosystem itself is "out of balance" with other species. This is known. This is happening and being witnessed.

We - humans - need to adapt our behavior. The sharks - although having been around for millions and millions of years - wont adapt or change fast enough to protect themselves from us.

 

 

 

Again, we are talking about different things.  You are talking about having empathy, I am discussing survival.  If sharks cannot adapt to the change in the environment, for whatever the reason, they will die off.  Think of all of the specific niches that all of the dinosaur species filled at the end of the Cretaceous.  Those dinosaurs had been evolving for millions of years as well, but the environment changed and they could not survive.  And they were only there because the Permian Extinction event gave their ancestors the opportunity.  Every species has or will become extinct.  It happens when they are not adaptable enough to the environmental pressures presented to them, whether that is an invading species, a rifle, an asteroid, or disease.  It is sad and sometimes painful.  But every time something else takes advantage of the new opportunity that arises within the environment because of the void left by extinct creatures.  

 

Now if you want to have a conversation about some hunting and culling practices I am all for that as well.  I think the superstition based killings are barbaric and absurd.  Viagra is cheaper and more proven to work than rhinoceros horn powder.  I don't like trophy hunting either.  That is anything from big bucks to marlins to safaris.  I know there are hunters that post here, and I have a lot of friends that hunt too, it just isn't my thing and doesn't impress me too much.  I may be the ultimate hypocrite in this, and I will admit it, I will eat nearly any kind of animal that there is.  I think my main issue is that hunting is presented as a sport.  It isn't really a game if one of the parties involved doesn't know that it is playing.  

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