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10 minutes ago, Rainmaker90 said:

One party is currently in court to take healthcare away from millions of people , even during this pandemic . 

this is misleading. they are in court to take away *unconstitutionally-mandated state-provided healthcare*. they believe the free market is a more efficient and effective provider of healthcare and that charities can supplement the gap. the government does not need to mandate a purchase of a product

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1 minute ago, TransientTexan said:

this is misleading. they are in court to take away *unconstitutionally-mandated state-provided healthcare*. they believe the free market is a more efficient and effective provider of healthcare and that charities can supplement the gap. the government does not need to mandate a purchase of a product

Millions of people would lose their insurance.

 

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1 minute ago, Rainmaker90 said:

Millions of people would lose their insurance.

 

and have less money taxed from them, which they can apply to their own private insurance, or which others can donate to charities that provide healthcare. just because you believe you have pure motives doesn't mean the policies you support are effective or sustainable, or that the people that oppose your policies have bad motives. many healthcare facilities had to close down due to the cost increases of the ACA.  

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7 minutes ago, TransientTexan said:

the government does not need to mandate a purchase of a product

some things are most efficient and humane when they are not for profit.

prison system is #1

healthcare is #2

education is #3 

IMO. But 2 and 3 are fuzzy in order. I can be convinced otherwise. But definitely should be NFP.

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1 minute ago, incognito_man said:

some things are most efficient and humane when they are not for profit.

prison system is #1

healthcare is #2

education is #3 

IMO. But 2 and 3 are fuzzy in order. I can be convinced otherwise. But definitely should be NFP.

that's debatable. most things are more efficient when there is competition instead of a monopoly. as for healthcare, there is a triangle with corner #1 being high-quality healthcare, corner #2 being universal healthcare, and corner #3 being cost-effective healthcare. you can only pick 2 corners. And the cost one is not just some artificial number you can ignore or handwave away. it has real trade-offs that can damage health and lives in other ways. 

additionally, is has been often shown that when taxes rise, donations to charities go down, sometimes even to a greater extent than the taxes rose. So the service provided by the tax is basically just displacing a service from a charity.  there is a good book that studies this phenomenon among many other things: "Who Really Cares" by Arthur C. Brooks.

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