wcblack34 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: I don't think it should be condoned. I said he should be punished. My complaint is the amount of attention that this is getting and all of the NFL pundits wringing their hands like this kind of stuff just doesn't happen in an intrinsically violent sport. A sport were players, in the same game no less, use their helmets as weapons during the course of the game. Meanwhile guys like Tyreek Hill roam the NFL freely. Tyreek Hill is trash, but his transgressions aren't on the field. I don't believe the NFL should police off-field conduct that has made its way through the justice system. They absolutely should crack down on this. This does not happen in the NFL on a regular basis; intrinsic violence or not. This was a literal crime, and it happened on the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 There is a big difference between playing a violent sport, and assaulting another player on the field. This goes beyond “heat of the moment”. Garrett was trying to hurt Rudolph long after the play was over. He lost his composure and struck a helmetless player in head with said helmet. If the NFL were serious about player safety, this should be a career ending offense for Garrett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Just now, wcblack34 said: This was a literal crime, and it happened on the field. Is a player launching himself, helmet down, at another player's head a crime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 minute ago, JDBrocks said: Is a player launching himself, helmet down, at another player's head a crime? No. It is not. It is part of the game. That happens. It is a risk the players assume. This was an intentional act. The intent was not related to the game. It was an intent to cause bodily harm outside the bounds of game. You can try to conflate the two. They are not the same. And I say this as a lawyer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 minute ago, SemperFeist said: There is a big difference between playing a violent sport, and assaulting another player on the field. This goes beyond “heat of the moment”. Garrett was trying to hurt Rudolph long after the play was over. He lost his composure and struck a helmetless player in head with said helmet. If the NFL were serious about player safety, this should be a career ending offense for Garrett. The NFL is clearly not serious about player safety. Vontaze Burfict, Suh, Haynesworth, Antonio Smith have all assaulted players on the field, and were able to return to the NFL. The Saints and Gregg Williams coached defenses have been coached to injure. Again - I'm not saying that Garrett shouldn't be punished. I think that pretending to be outraged by his actions is nonsense. People pay money to watch people assault each other in boxing rings and the octagon. They like violence. This isn't unprecedented and shouldn't be treated like it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Just now, JDBrocks said: The NFL is clearly not serious about player safety. Vontaze Burfict, Suh, Haynesworth, Antonio Smith have all assaulted players on the field, and were able to return to the NFL. The Saints and Gregg Williams coached defenses have been coached to injure. Again - I'm not saying that Garrett shouldn't be punished. I think that pretending to be outraged by his actions is nonsense. People pay money to watch people assault each other in boxing rings and the octagon. They like violence. This isn't unprecedented and shouldn't be treated like it is. I don’t recall the last time a player used a helmet to swing at and attack a player during a game. Sure, there are fights, and Suh stepped on a player, but I’d say yes this was unprecedented, at least under Goodell. Didn’t a hockey player hit another player with a stick and was charged? I don’t see how this is any different if criminal charges are pursued. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Just now, wcblack34 said: No. It is not. It is part of the game. That happens. It is a risk the players assume. This was an intentional act. The intent was not related to the game. It was an intent to cause bodily harm outside the bounds of game. You can try to conflate the two. They are not the same. And I say this as a lawyer. I don't agree with you. Players lowering the crown of their helmet and leaving their feat to deliver a blow to another players head is outside the bounds of the game. There is no intent other than to injure another player, but players do it because it has been seen as acceptable over the years in the NFL. One incurs a 15 yard penalty, or an ejection/short suspension sometimes. Again - I don't condone what he did, I think it deserves to be punished, I don't want it to happen. The outrage is pretty phony to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I'm going with the rest of this year, all off season programs, and eight games next year. My guess is he only gets the rest of the year. My guess is pouncey tries to hurt home next year..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, vikingsrule said: I don’t recall the last time a player used a helmet to swing at and attack a player during a game. Sure, there are fights, and Suh stepped on a player, but I’d say yes this was unprecedented, at least under Goodell. Didn’t a hockey player hit another player with a stick and was charged? I don’t see how this is any different if criminal charges are pursued. This incurred a 2 preseason, 1 regular season game suspension. Edited November 15, 2019 by JDBrocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 minute ago, JDBrocks said: I don't agree with you. Players lowering the crown of their helmet and leaving their feat to deliver a blow to another players head is outside the bounds of the game. There is no intent other than to injure another player, but players do it because it has been seen as acceptable over the years in the NFL. One incurs a 15 yard penalty, or an ejection/short suspension sometimes. Again - I don't condone what he did, I think it deserves to be punished, I don't want it to happen. The outrage is pretty phony to me. I agree the outrage it's hypocritical. I don't agree illegal hits are outside the play. They are literally the play. This was not part of the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said: I agree the outrage it's hypocritical. I don't agree illegal hits are outside the play. They are literally the play. This was not part of the play. They are outside of the rules of the game though. That was my point. Both are illegal plays in the NFL. Edited November 15, 2019 by JDBrocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: They are outside of the rules of the game though. That was my point. Both are illegal plays in the NFL. One is an illegal play. The other is just flat out illegal. At no point did what Garrett did fall into the context of the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perrynoid Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said: I'm going with the rest of this year, all off season programs, and eight games next year. My guess is he only gets the rest of the year. My guess is pouncey tries to hurt home next year..... I'm guessing he is suspended the rest of the regular season, but is allowed to come back for the playoffs if they make the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Just now, SemperFeist said: One is an illegal play. The other is just flat out illegal. At no point did what Garrett did fall into the context of the sport. So how about when Rudolph tried to rip off Garrett's helmet? or what about Pouncey punching and kicking Garrett while he's on the ground? Where do you draw the line? I'm going to reiterate this again - I think he deserves a suspension. I think what he did was wrong. I think pretending like this is some huge outlier of an event is bogus. Aqib Talib ripped off Crabtree's helmet and threw it at him, and both guys got 1 game. Andre Johnson and Cortland Finnegan were fined 25K each and not suspended for ripping off helmets and throwing punches on the field. Gronkowski body slammed a guy because he was pissed that the ball was intercepted and got a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AP_allday2869 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, rrgm said: Agreed. It's comical with how many fans think he should just get 4-6. Dude commits assault and battery on national TV. Should've been arrested lol Well, the president admitted to crimes on national television but nothing came of that, so idk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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