ET80 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 58 minutes ago, Hunter2_1 said: Does it even get to that in Texas? Anything below 70 is a polar vortex to them, right? Yes. And it's 36 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 FWIW Damien Woody commenting that Larry Ogunjobu is getting off extremely light. Seeing a wider video, Ogunjobu ran up, ran into Rudolph in the back, then backpedaled faster than an ESPN commentator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Does not really matter if the browns beat the Steelers and rudolph the red nose reindeer then the browns go to the playoffs and these questions come up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, TXsteeler said: Garrett's neck was never in danger of being broken, facemasks during tackles carry far more force than what Mason could do while laying down like that and they don't break necks. Not to excuse Garrett by any means because he was definitely in the wrong and using the helmet as a weapon is idiotic---but regardless Rudolph twisting his head and trying to rip him helmet off initially is what caused Garrett's reaction. I don't think Rudolph could have hurt him like you said but it was just the incident itself that sparked the rage/outburst. Then add in that he kicked him in the groin after that and you have a full blown fight in which Garrett went too far Edited November 15, 2019 by AkronsWitness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Just now, AkronsWitness said: Not to excuse Garrett by any means because he was definitely in the wrong and using the helmet as a weapon is idiotic---but regardless Rudolph twisting his head and trying to rip him helmet off initially is what caused Garrett's reaction. I don't think Rudolph could have hurt him like you said but it was just the incident itself that sparked the rage/outburst Sure. And I'll always say some level of reaction is justified. Yank his helmet off, drop it, walk away. If that's the case I make disparaging foul language comments about Mason. Something was said when or right after the helmet was yanked off that got him (Mason) to go after his helmet like that. Yes DeCastro was pushing him back, but Garrett gave very little effort to get away or drop the helmet. I really think there was a part of both guys trying to 'have the last word' in this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 That locker room must be unique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 minute ago, warfelg said: Sure. And I'll always say some level of reaction is justified. Yank his helmet off, drop it, walk away. If that's the case I make disparaging foul language comments about Mason. Something was said when or right after the helmet was yanked off that got him (Mason) to go after his helmet like that. Yes DeCastro was pushing him back, but Garrett gave very little effort to get away or drop the helmet. I really think there was a part of both guys trying to 'have the last word' in this issue. I think he didn't give a effort to get away because for whatever reason as soon as his helmet got taken off Rudolph immediately ran up on Garrett when DeCastro already defused the situation for a breif moment. That was the whole reason why he swung the helmet because Rudolph was trying to get back in his face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, warfelg said: No, that's an example of isolated incident. NE is usually one of the least penalized teams. Browns right now is the MOST penalized in multiple categories, and this is an extending example of what can only be described as a culture issue within the building that does not discourage these types of actions strong enough. How is this not an isolated incident. The Browns culture has nothing to with Garrett launching his helmet at another player. This isn’t a your traditional penalty that occurs over the course of a game. This is a rare type of incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Flash Rudolph’s attorneys are going to sue anybody that tackles there client. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Ron Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said: That locker room must be unique Can you translate the tweet into English? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 browns have a huge locker room problem lol, zero discipline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: I think he didn't give a effort to get away because for whatever reason as soon as his helmet got taken off Rudolph immediately ran up on Garrett when DeCastro already defused the situation for a breif moment. That was the whole reason why he swung the helmet because Rudolph was trying to get back in his face To be honest not sure Garrett does not win if this goes to court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kip Smithers said: How is this not an isolated incident. The Browns culture has nothing to with Garrett launching his helmet at another player. This isn’t a your traditional penalty that occurs over the course of a game. This is a rare type of incident. Again, it's a team that leads the NFL in ejections and personal/unsportsmanlike penalties. No this one isolated incident isn't a traditional penalty, but the team has an issue with discipline and actions, and that is a culture thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Just now, Kip Smithers said: How is this not an isolated incident. The Browns culture has nothing to with Garrett launching his helmet at another player. This isn’t a your traditional penalty that occurs over the course of a game. This is a rare type of incident. Again, not to excuse his horrible action but he was set off by something. It wasn't just like Garrett tackled Rudolph and then ripped his helmet off and started beating him with it. It's just a little strange to me that the instigator of this brawl who twisted a players neck and then kicked him in the nuts somehow is the one that gets away with no suspension when his actions were the reason this whole thing happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDawg Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Translation: don’t let this incident disguise the fact that the Browns beat Pittsburgh fairly decisively. Pittsburgh is winning the off day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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