champ11 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I'd take Trae but I love both these guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Trae Young first 47 games 15.9 ppg 3.2 rpg 7.3 apg 0.9 spg 0.2 bpg 39.5-28.5-80.2 splits Trae Young last 55 games 25.6 ppg 4.3 rpg 8.8 apg 1.1 spg 0.1 bpg 45.1-37.6-84.8 splits Offensively he's going to be one of the best in the NBA for years and years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 Bump , I made this thread early in Ja's career. DStill early, but more evidence plying in. Anyone change their mind?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, resilient part 2 said: Bump , I made this thread early in Ja's career. DStill early, but more evidence plying in. Anyone change their mind?? Considering I'm team Ja. No. Trae is empty stats. Ja impacts the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 If Ja remains a good shooter he is pretty close to unguardable. Dude is one of the most athletic players in the NBA, one of the best passers, and has one of the best handles. He has been pretty insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyronnosaurus Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Throw Luka in this conversation. I posted in the GDT thread and didn’t see this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 6 hours ago, beekay414 said: Considering I'm team Ja. No. Trae is empty stats. Ja impacts the game. He’s not empty stats, he’s legitimately great offensively. He also happens to be the worst defender in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetsujin Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I thought ATL should've drafted Jaren Jackson Jr a couple years ago, instead of Young. Especially now since the Grizz got JJ Jr THEN Morant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 8 hours ago, Tyronnosaurus said: Throw Luka in this conversation. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 4 hours ago, redsoxsuck05 said: He’s not empty stats, he’s legitimately great offensively. He also happens to be the worst defender in the league. Yeah I think it's fine calling his stats empty....right now....on a terrible team...but like he's an incredible talent/player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 hours ago, champ11 said: Yeah I think it's fine calling his stats empty....right now....on a terrible team...but like he's an incredible talent/player. But it’s not like his offensive stats are garbage MCW-filler. He’s legitimately very impactful on that end. Their biggest problem is they have no identity when he’s off the court and his teammates are improbably terrible. Hunter has been awful and Reddish might be the worst player in NBA history right now. Collins has only been there for 15 games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 He flat out doesn't impact the game enough on both ends. You can't be the worst defender in the league and have any type of positive impact. Young will always be an empty stats player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, beekay414 said: He flat out doesn't impact the game enough on both ends. You can't be the worst defender in the league and have any type of positive impact. Young will always be an empty stats player. Derek Jeter was the worst defender in the league and had a positive impact lol. Kind of a silly example, but you CAN be the worst defender and still create net positive value if you’re that good on offense. I’m sure there are plenty of statistics to support this conclusion in Young’s case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, redsoxsuck05 said: Derek Jeter was the worst defender in the league and had a positive impact lol. Kind of a silly example, but you CAN be the worst defender and still create net positive value if you’re that good on offense. I’m sure there are plenty of statistics to support this conclusion in Young’s case. Yeah, if you're surrounded by positive value people, sure. Young will never be the #1 on a good team. He gets treated like a whipping boy on defense. I've always felt this way about players so it's not just a Trae Young thing. If you provide nothing of substance on one end of the court, you're simply not valuable. Empty stats all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Yeah, if you're surrounded by positive value people, sure. Young will never be the #1 on a good team. He gets treated like a whipping boy on defense. I've always felt this way about players so it's not just a Trae Young thing. If you provide nothing of substance on one end of the court, you're simply not valuable. Empty stats all the way. So do you think James Harden, for example, made enough strides defensively? Or is just that much of a transcendent talent offensively? Because, IMO, Trae has transcendent offensive talent which is why I could see him being a great player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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