BrownLeader Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 6 hours ago, MSURacerDT55 said: He is super meh to me, strictly a 2 down plugger, not very athletic, offers nothing in the pass game. Strong, has good punch, doesn't have the same effort in the pass game than in the run game, rotational guy on the next level. At best he could sneak his way into a Kyle Williams type of player but he is more than likely a Jamie Meder type of player, you mention Phillips being a better player, he may be a better player for their scheme on the college level, but its about what they project on the next level. Top 3?, So you have Payne, Vea, Nnadi, He's not better than Kendrick Norton, Dontavius Russell, Lowell Lotulelei, B.J.Hill, Greg Gilmore, Josh Frazier,Khalil McKenzie, Bryan Mone Nifae Lealao, and a few others I failed to mention but these are 1 - tech/NT prospects. And this is just for the sake of arguement Phillips is 2nd in TFL's for interior DL (12) this season behind Mo Hurst (12.5)...and he had 9.5 last year. And yes, I think he's better than Nnadi, Norton, Russell, Lotulelei and Hill. The others after that you mentioned I haven't had a good look at yet. He's limited ... but he bulls and frees up inside. Besides that USC game early in the year...I see a guy that can get to the ball in both the run/pass. I think he's a safe interior prospect that'll plug and push inside all day. some gifs... Here...discarding the OC at the goal line and catching Gaskin... ...splits the double here on an upfield rush... ...very next play runs with the screen.... ..here an upfield rush for the sack... He plays like this in just about every game. He's got some balance issues and offers little range but I think he should continue to push and shed as a pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 50 minutes ago, BrownLeader said: Phillips is 2nd in TFL's for interior DL (12) this season behind Mo Hurst (12.5)...and he had 9.5 last year. And yes, I think he's better than Nnadi, Norton, Russell, Lotulelei and Hill. The others after that you mentioned I haven't had a good look at yet. He's limited ... but he bulls and frees up inside. Besides that USC game early in the year...I see a guy that can get to the ball in both the run/pass. I think he's a safe interior prospect that'll plug and push inside all day. some gifs... Here...discarding the OC at the goal line and catching Gaskin... ...splits the double here on an upfield rush... ...very next play runs with the screen.... ..here an upfield rush for the sack... He plays like this in just about every game. He's got some balance issues and offers little range but I think he should continue to push and shed as a pro. Well he's got my attention, im going to follow him, maybe he can be a Derek Wolfe/Matt Ioannitis type of guy. And way to support your argument bro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownLeader Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 21 hours ago, MSURacerDT55 said: Also in your or someone's else opinion, who would be the best blocking WR and TE in the 2018 class Auden Tate and Matt Flanigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da_Ducktator Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 13 hours ago, MSURacerDT55 said: Well he's got my attention, im going to follow him, maybe he can be a Derek Wolfe/Matt Ioannitis type of guy. And way to support your argument bro! The guy has been playing great the last couple years after coming back from injury in 2015. Gotta love the intangibles of the guy who is a double major, an Academic honoree, has packed on serious weight since high school, and is a team captain. Phillips was also a quality high school wrestler and participated in track & field too. A lot to like on and off the field about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 14 hours ago, MSURacerDT55 said: Well he's got my attention, im going to follow him So based on your initial response to the question about him, what had you seen that made you so down on him? Because your initial analysis was basically the total opposite of what BL posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Jlash said: So based on your initial response to the question about him, what had you seen that made you so down on him? Because your initial analysis was basically the total opposite of what BL posted. So you are suggesting everyone should be in sync with the same analysis of a player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Just now, MSURacerDT55 said: So you are suggesting everyone should be in sync with the same analysis of a player? No. I asked what you had seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jlash said: No. I asked what you had seen. I just don't see all of the recent success he's having translate to the NFL, I just see a rotational guy or possibly a plugger at 5-tech in a 3-4. I think BL is projecting to be a penetrating 3 tech in a 4-3 creating havoc and I just don't see it, He isn't the athlete. I think my assessment is fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownLeader Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 15 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: I just don't see all of the recent success he's having translate to the NFL, I just see a rotational guy or possibly a plugger at 5-tech in a 3-4. I think BL is projecting to be a penetrating 3 tech in a 4-3 creating havoc and I just don't see it, He isn't the athlete. I think my assessment is fair Nah. I agreed he's limited. He's a plugger first and foremost ..but I think he'll push the pocket and clean up on 3rd down occasionally too. I think he's something like a Mike Brockers, Steve McLendon or Jaye Howard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, BrownLeader said: Nah. I agreed he's limited. He's a plugger first and foremost ..but I think he'll push the pocket and clean up on 3rd down occasionally too. I think he's something like a Mike Brockers, Steve McLendon or Jaye Howard. Agreed, I want to see his numbers (combine)though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Weird timing. You guys just talking about him, then roto updates a blurb on him calling him a potential 1st rounder. Harrison Phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownLeader Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 Updated rankings! Baker's now my QB1 ....for the time being. I feel like I've been underrating his mobility. That trait is becoming especially important in the NFL. And conversely, I'm down on Rosen's durability. I've also been mostly writing off the character/leadership concern/rumors on him but there might be something there. I'm expecting Darnold to return. Lamar Jackson still has the most upside ....but his passing ability is in the Vince Young range atm. He runs like Vick but he's still a project as a thrower despite improvement. Reminds me also of Kaepernick as a QB prospect. Kap progressed rapidly pre draft with his mechanics/footwork and it really showed senior week. I think Jackson will have to show similar improvement to be in the top 10 or 15 conversation. Rumors that Stidham will declare. He's got very good tools. He's also flashed poise and precision in clutch moments. He's a high end project type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownLeader Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 My top 50 Overall rankings with some words. 1. DB | Minkah Fitzpatrick* | Alabama Fitzpatrick first stood out to me playing CB in 16' for Bama early in the year. I thought he was the most talented DB on the team at the time. He switched over to safety after injuries and has remained the best DB on the team. I think he could project to both safety or CB. He's a high character team leader with length/size, athleticism, and ball skills. It's a lofty comparison but he reminds me of Charles Woodson. 2. OG | Quenton Nelson | Notre Dame Nelson sneaks up on you. At first glance, he's just a typical looking interior offensive lineman. Then he makes a play that shocks you. Then he does it again. He's got a ridiculously powerful initial jolt. He can lock in and drive. And shows impressive awareness and lateral mobility. Comparison: David DeCastro 3. OG | Mason Cole | Michigan Last season Cole was of of the most consistent, physical, play thru the whistle, beat your *** up interior guys in the country. This year, he's slid out to LT and looked nearly flawless. He manhandles guys and shows enough athleticism/awareness to effectively man every position upfront. Comparison Zach Martin 4. RB | Saquon Barkley* | Penn St There hasn't been a more well rounded RB prospect since HOF'er LaDainian Tomlinson. Barkley's just stronger, more agile, and better balanced, then anyone he comes up against. The guy is a chunk play waiting to happen and does it any way you get him the football. All that said, while he can floor you by looking like a more powerful Barry Sanders at times ... he'll also frustrate you by getting taken down occasionally one on one in the open by a jag...or get shoe stringed in the hole by a jag. Given his incredible skillset, it's as if his intensity just doesn't always seem fully dialed up. Comparison: shiftier Jonathan Stewart. 5. QB | Baker Mayfield | Oklahoma Bursting on the scene at Oklahoma, Mayfield looked like your typical, fired up, undersized run/pass college QB. The difference is he kept getting better and more consistent. His best attribute is accuracy. Then it's a combination of his mobility, improvisation, and clutchness. His arm is above average...although I think his deep ball is much better than his velocity. That "it" is that he's highly productive on the field and really likable off of it. The love/hate thing some have with him is just that he's a chippy guy. I don't think that'll change..and I'm not sure it has to. I think he does remind you some of a Purdue Drew Brees and projects to almost another Russell Wilson. I think he's a stronger armed, edgy Colt McCoy. Not really a knock in that McCoy is a fringe starter/solid backup who could've won as a starter if actual talent was around him when he had his shot. 6. QB | Josh Rosen* | UCLA Ergonomics phrasing keeps coming back to me whenever I watch Rosen... "if anything's wrong, it's human error, not mechanical." This guy has been practicing to be a pro QB for a long while and it shows. Elite arm talent and good footwork. He's not a runner but he resets his feet really quickly and can move in and out of the pocket efficiently. He's easily the most talented thrower in this class. But durability is a legit concern. And decision making on throws and footwork is often inconsistent. Comparison: less durable Eli Manning 7. DT | R.J. McIntosh* | Miami Very large and very quick is the best description here. While he's consistently shown Sunday interior pass rush and run stopping ability, R.J. is still probably just scratching the surface. He's often much too quick for interior OL but also uses his long arms and strength to stack and shed the run. Comparison: Trevor Pryce 8. RB | Derrius Guice* | LSU It's an uncommonly good year for RBs. Guice actually outshined Fournette last year and has shown enough through nagging injuries this year, to justify a high selection. Durability might be his sole weakness. He's a legit breakaway back but also runs bigger than his size. His attacking style reminds of the "fire" from the NYG's three headed monster. Comparison: Ahmad Bradshaw 9. DE | Bradley Chubb | N.C. State Similar to Jonathan Allen last year, Chubb's dominance is predicated on his strong hands. He disengages with quick hands and power, then possesses the closing speed to finish. He's a solid enough athlete to chase and change direction but his game isn't as much about suddenness as power and technique. Comparison: Oliver Vernon 10. LB | Derwin James** | Florida St James is a freak athlete with a great motor. Those will always be bankable traits. I think he's best suited at linebacker then at safety and he ideally fits the money LB position Deone Buchannon has assumed in Arizona. He's a throwback big hitter and strong blitzer but, like Buchannon in college, has some embarrassing whiffs tackling in open space. Comparison: Deone Buchannon 11. DE | Harold Landry | Boston College 12. LB | Josey Jewell | Iowa 13. DE | Jerry Tillery* | Notre Dame 14. LB | Skai Moore | South Carolina 15. DT | Harrison Phillips | Stanford 16. DT | Maurice Hurst | Michigan 17. DE Clelin Ferrell** | Clemson 18. CB Denzel Ward* | Ohio St 19. OC Brian Price | Ohio St 20. CB Josh Jackson* | Iowa 21. RB Kerryon Johnson* | Auburn 22. DT Vita Vea* | Washington 23. OT Orlando Brown* | Oklahoma 24. RB Bryce Love* | Stanford 25. QB Lamar Jackson* | Louisville 26. OG Will Hernandez | UTEP 27. LB Roquan Smith* | Georgia 28. DE Arden Key* | LSU 29. CB Nick Nelson* | Wisconsin 30. OG Brady Smith | Auburn 31. LB Hercules Mata'afa | Washington St 32. OC Frank Ragnow | Arkansas 33. DE Zach Allen* | Boston College 34. RB Ronald Jones* | USC 35. CB Jaire Alexander* | Louisville 36. WR Calvin Ridley* | Alabama 37. DE Christian Wilkins | Clemson 38. DE Marcus Davenport | UTSA 39. RB Damien Harris* | Alabama 40. WR Courtland Sutton* | SMU 41. WR Anthony Miller | Memphis 42. OG Connor Williams* | Texas 43. OG Isaiah Wynn | Georgia 44. LB Josh Allen* | Kentucky 45. RB Akrum Wadley | Iowa 46. RB Rashaad Penny | San Diego St 47. TE Mark Andrews | Oklahoma 48. OT Kolton Miller* | UCLA 49. RB Mark Walton* | Miami 50. WR D.J. Chark | LSU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JammerHammer21 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Jeeeeeez, I don't see that at all in Cole. He was solid last year at center, but not special, and he was fine at LT this year, but generally struggles with athletic pass rushers. Think he's much more of a Day 2 talent on the interior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownLeader Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 12/18/2017 at 3:56 PM, JammerHammer21 said: Jeeeeeez, I don't see that at all in Cole. He was solid last year at center, but not special, and he was fine at LT this year, but generally struggles with athletic pass rushers. Think he's much more of a Day 2 talent on the interior Not a physically overpowering guy but I think his quickness is special. He gets out to the second level in a blink. Good feet, technique, bows up when needed and he's mean when he gets a hold of guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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