RandyMossIsBoss Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 https://1drv.ms/x/s!AjvqihcNb--ngRSixzdSK899d1HR Here are CB metrics that I complied from 2 different sources, ProFootballReference (via SportsRadar) and PlayerProfiler (via ArmChairAnalysis). These metrics are free to anyone, just look at individual player pages on each site, however I could not find a way to view or list all of them together or rank them accordingly, so I did it myself. There are naturally some differences in their charting (ie targets), but they generally paint same picture. My excel sheet is a lot and I made no real effort to pretty it up, so here a few more relevant stats I will take and put in top 10 form. This is since 2018, including all of 2019 (except last TNF). No real cut-off for CBs I included, looked at about 60 on PP and 40 for PFR, will try to even it up when I have more time. PFR link above explains all of their numbers. For PP, burns are targets where the WR had 5 or more yards of separation. Target separation looks at the distance between CB and WR when the pass arrives. Also for PP, INTs seem to include any INTs on targets, whether or not the player in question made the INT. PFR only includes INTs that player made. CBs w/ >40% slot rate in red Good (in theory) Top 10 in Passer Rating Allowed (PFR) Tre'Davious White 60.0 Stephen Gilmore 64.0 Richard Sherman 66.7 Marlon Humphrey 68.2 Xavien Howard 72.8 Darius Slay 72.9 James Bradberry 73 Trumaine Johnson 75.4 Denzel Ward 75.5 Quinton Dunbar 77.2 Top 10 in Passer Rating Allowed (PP) Stephen Gilmore 62.8 Marlon Humphrey 66.0 Tre'Davious White 68.8 Kyler Fuller 69.5 Joe Haden 71.6 James Bradberry 73.7 Kenny Moore 75.0 Darius Slay 75.2 Prince Amukamara 77.8 Tramon Williams 78.8 Catch Rate (PFR) James Bradberry 47.9% Darius Slay 49.2% Marlon Humphrey 49.3% Stephen Gilmore 50.0% Bashaud Breeland 50.0% Denzel Ward 50.8% Jason McCourty 51.7% Tre White 52.3% Byron Jones 53.4% Daryl Worley 54.0% Catch Rate (PP) Marlon Humphrey 47.1% Denzel Ward 50.7% Darius Slay 53.1% Stephen Gilmore 54.5% Morris Claiborne 54.7% Tramon Williams 55.6% Jason McCourty 55.6% Tre'Davious White 55.8% Gareon Conley 56.3% Casey Hayward 56.6% Target Rate Bryce Callahan 17.3% Josh Norman 17.7% Byron Jones 17.8% Casey Hayward 18.7% Robert Alford 18.8% Bashaud Breeland 19.0% Desmond King 19.3% Chris Harris Jr. 19.3% Rashaan Melvin 19.4% Morris Claiborne 19.5% Average Yards of Separation per Target Casey Hayward 0.53 Tre'Davious White 0.73 William Jackson III 0.76 B.W. Webb 0.79 Aqib Talib 0.80 Desmond Trufant 0.82 Daryl Worley 0.82 Darius Slay 0.83 Kendall Fuller 0.90 Ronald Darby 0.91 Never "Burned" Crew (number is how many routes they've defended) Tre'Davious White 730 Kenny Moore 629 Johnathan Joseph 610 Desmond King 597 Bashaud Breeland 389 Bryce Callahan 376 Aqib Talib 344 YAC per Catch allowed Ronald Darby 2.2 Stephon Gilmore 2.6 Janoris Jenkins 2.9 Richard Sherman 3.2 Kyle Fuller 3.3 James Bradberry 3.3 Byron Jones 3.3 Casey Hayward 3.3 Daryl Worley 3.6 Shaquill Griffin 3.7 Yards allowed per game (PFR) Richard Sherman 22.2 Casey Hayward 28.9 Tre'Davious White 31.2 Marlon Humphrey 32.1 Byron Jones 33.2 Stephen Gilmore 33.6 Bashaud Breeland 33.6 Darius Slay 34.3 Daryl Worley 37.0 Patrick Peterson 37.4 Yards allowed per game (PP) Tramon Williams 23.4 Bashaud Breeland 32.5 K'Waun Williams 33.1 Marlon Humphrey 34.5 Tre'Davious White 34.9 Kenny Moore 35.7 Richard Sherman 36.4 Desmond King 36.4 Joe Haden 36.5 Byron Jones 37.1 Bad (in theory) Bottom 10 in Passer Rating Allowed (PFR) Josh Norman 113.1 Bradley Roby 106.3 Gareon Conley 105.0 Jalen Mills 101.8 Xavier Rhodes 100.1 Patrick Peterson 99.8 Aqib Talib 97.4 Johnathan Joseph 95.2 Kendall Fuller 94.9 Bottom 10 in Passer Rating Allowed (PP) Deandre Baker 134.4 Robert Alford 133.2 Byron Murphy 125.4 Josh Norman 120.6 Daryl Worley 117.7 Kevin King 108.1 Donte Jackson 107.4 K'Waun Williams 105.8 Bradley Roby 104.0 Kendall Fuller 103.2 Highest Target Rate Ronald Darby 28.1% Jalen Ramsey 26.6% Jaire Alexander 26.1% Aqib Talib 25.9% Quinton Dunbar 25.3% James Bradberry 25.0% Rasul Douglas 25.0% Johnathan Joseph 24.9% Kevin King 24.7% Kyler Fuller 24.5% Most Yards of Separation Deandre Baker 1.77 Morris Claiborne 1.72 Josh Norman 1.56 Jalen Mills 1.56 Desmond King 1.53 Kevin King 1.50 Rashaan Melvin 1.45 Tre Flowers 1.44 Quinton Dunbar 1.44 Richard Sherman 1.42 Highest Burn Rate Xavien Howard 7.0% Rasul Douglas 6.8% Richard Sherman 6.7% Kevin King 5.1% Donte Jackson 4.8% Trumaine Johnson 4.4% Josh Norman 3.8% Byron Jones 3.8% Jaire Alexander 3.5% Deandre Baker 3.4% Yards per game (PFR) Jalen Mills 73.0 Jaire Alexander 60.4 Kyle Fuller 57.6 Jalen Ramsey 55.1 Ronald Darby 54.1 Marshon Lattimore 53.8 Johnathan Joseph 53.1 Bradley Roby 52.0 Kendall Fuller 48.8 James Bradberry 48.0 Yards per game (PP) Deandre Baker 66.2 Robert Alford 61.7 Jalen Ramsey 61.0 Kendall Fuller 60.8 Jaire Alexander 60.4 Ronald Darby 60.2 Marshon Lattimore 58.5 Adoree Jackson 57.6 A.J. Bouye 57.3 Aqib Talib 57.2 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sryan66611 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Great list... Surprised no one on the bucs made the list on the bad side 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 so, tredavious white is really, really good? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BILLievers Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 10 hours ago, GSUeagles14 said: so, tredavious white is really, really good? Coming from someone that watches him every week, he’s very good. I think top 2-3 CB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 10 hours ago, GSUeagles14 said: so, tredavious white is really, really good? Perfect fit with McDermott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 So just judging by my interpretation of the numbers the top 5 corners in the league, in no order are: TreDavious White, Stephen Gilmore, Marlon Humphrey, Richard Sherman, and Bashaud Breeland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sryan66611 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 3 hours ago, diamondbull424 said: So just judging by my interpretation of the numbers the top 5 corners in the league, in no order are: TreDavious White, Stephen Gilmore, Marlon Humphrey, Richard Sherman, and Bashaud Breeland. I'd take out Breeland and put in James Bradberry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrnastiesNO Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I am that Lattimore isn't on any of those list. This year he as gone up against some elite talent and held his own. Does this list differentiate between man and zone. D. Hopkins J. Jones M. Evans A. Cooper D.J. Chark T. Lockett B. Cooks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, MrnastiesNO said: I am that Lattimore isn't on any of those list. This year he as gone up against some elite talent and held his own. Does this list differentiate between man and zone. D. Hopkins J. Jones M. Evans A. Cooper D.J. Chark T. Lockett B. Cooks This is also counting 2018 as was said. I can’t speak to the rest of the guys on this list but Humphrey has faced the above. I believe Evans was shadowed by another corner in that matchup last year. But in addition to that he’s played against AB/Juju in 2018 and also Juju in 2019. He’s played against Edelman. Jarvis Landry and OBJ. Tyler Boyd and some AJ Green as well. Last year he played a side. This year he’s traveling with the best receiver whether it’s in the slot or on the outside. Also when another team has a receiver that starts to get hot then he’ll switch responsibilities in game and generally shut that guy down to cool him back off. Not to say he can’t get beat, but he’s been very active. Since the Marcus Peters trade however he’s been able to just moreso settle in on one guy and not try and shutdown the hot hand. Edited November 18, 2019 by diamondbull424 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveTheVikings Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Since the numbers were updated today, I'd like to point out just how bad Xavier Rhodes has been and why he is the worst CB in the league right now. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RhodXa00.htmhttps://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RhodXa00.htm He is allowing an astonishing 82.3% completion rate. Here is how that compares to the other bottom 10 CB's you listed. But want to know the worst part of it? Xavier also has a ton more targets then all of them (sorted by targets). Xavier Rhodes: 62 targets, 82.3%, 116.7 rating Jonathan Joseph: 52 targets, 67.3%,106.8 rating Gareon Conley: 45 targets, 60%, 121.7 rating Josh Norman: 42 targets, 69%, 120.7 rating Bradley Roby: 38 targets, 60.5%, 88.3 rating Aqib Talib: 30 targets, 60%, 117.5 rating Patrick Peterson: 29 targets, 79.3%, 122.8 rating Kendall Fuller: 21 targets, 76.2%, 141.4 rating Jalen Mills: 16 targets, 62.5%, 71.6 rating The combination of targets, astronomical completion percentage and that QB rating is just mind mindbogglingly bad. The lower targeted guys can be ignored to a point since one bad play can heavily skew the numbers but Rhodes has the volume. The fall of Rhodes from a few years ago to now is almost Nnamdi Asomugha like. Not saying he was ever as good but he was damn elite for a few years and a shut down corner but 2 years later from his height he is arguably the worst CB in the league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 10 hours ago, sryan66611 said: I'd take out Breeland and put in James Bradberry Id take them both out and put Hayward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted November 18, 2019 Author Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 hours ago, ILoveTheVikings said: Since the numbers were updated today, I'd like to point out just how bad Xavier Rhodes has been and why he is the worst CB in the league right now. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RhodXa00.htmhttps://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RhodXa00.htm He is allowing an astonishing 82.3% completion rate. Here is how that compares to the other bottom 10 CB's you listed. But want to know the worst part of it? Xavier also has a ton more targets then all of them (sorted by targets). Xavier Rhodes: 62 targets, 82.3%, 116.7 rating Jonathan Joseph: 52 targets, 67.3%,106.8 rating Gareon Conley: 45 targets, 60%, 121.7 rating Josh Norman: 42 targets, 69%, 120.7 rating Bradley Roby: 38 targets, 60.5%, 88.3 rating Aqib Talib: 30 targets, 60%, 117.5 rating Patrick Peterson: 29 targets, 79.3%, 122.8 rating Kendall Fuller: 21 targets, 76.2%, 141.4 rating Jalen Mills: 16 targets, 62.5%, 71.6 rating The combination of targets, astronomical completion percentage and that QB rating is just mind mindbogglingly bad. The lower targeted guys can be ignored to a point since one bad play can heavily skew the numbers but Rhodes has the volume. The fall of Rhodes from a few years ago to now is almost Nnamdi Asomugha like. Not saying he was ever as good but he was damn elite for a few years and a shut down corner but 2 years later from his height he is arguably the worst CB in the league. At least with Nnamdi he was 30, his 8th year in the league I believe, and he had the excuse of being put into a new system playing a different role than he did the few years prior. Rhodes is in a whole different level of bizarre to me since he was elite in that 2017 season shadowing #1s and playing press man all the time. Then suddenly in year 6, at 28 years old, his play drops off and it seems to have only gotten worse. Nagging injuries but no major injury you can identify that would rob him of athleticism. Age hits everyone differently I guess, or maybe work ethic fell off, although he didn't seem like that kind of guy to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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