TecmoSuperJoe Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Heinz D. said: Montana's the most overrated player in NFL history. I'll never get tired of pointing that out. And now I can never get tired of chuckling at you for your opinion Edited November 21, 2019 by PapaShogun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7DnBrnc53 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 55 minutes ago, PapaShogun said: Good players dominate bad teams. Rice dunking on cellar dwellers in 1987 was a good thing. That's not MVP-worthy, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7DnBrnc53 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Heinz D. said: Montana's the most overrated player in NFL history. I'll never get tired of pointing that out. Brady and Jerry Rice are even more overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, 7DnBrnc53 said: That's not MVP-worthy, though. Never said it was. Wide receivers shouldn't win MVP awards. At the same time, discrediting a player for dominating inferior competition doesn't make sense. Rice specifically in 1987 dominated good defenses like Cleveland, New Orleans, and Chicago anyway. Edited November 21, 2019 by PapaShogun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 8 hours ago, TENINCH said: My vote goes to Joe Namath Namath is indeed overrated, but wtf is Paul Hornung doing in the HoF? Basically he's there because he had a couple years where he scored a bunch of tds AND kicked FGs with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 20 hours ago, TENINCH said: My vote goes to Joe Namath He's close. Probably still top five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 16 hours ago, PapaShogun said: And now I can never get tired of chuckling at you for your opinion Don't think Montana was terrible. Just not the "greatest". Even among his contemporaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: Don't think Montana was terrible. Just not the "greatest". Even among his contemporaries. That's fair in terms of player ability. Curious, who else do you like around that time frame? Marino? Fouts? Elway? Theismann? Edited November 21, 2019 by PapaShogun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, PapaShogun said: That's fair in terms of player ability. Curious, who else do you like around that time frame? Marino? Fouts? Elway? Theismann? I'm big on Elway. Marino and Fouts were also spectacular. Rice was the G.O.A.T. Maybe regardless of position. A lot of Montana's shine is just a reflection from Mr. Rice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) Because he rushed for 2,000 yards and that has only been done 7x in NFL history. He also had 21TDs....21. The other 2k yard rushers had 14,14,11,14,12,12. It is arguably the most dominant rushing season in NFL history Edited November 22, 2019 by AkronsWitness 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKSteeler Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 On 11/20/2019 at 5:42 PM, SkippyX said: It cracks me up when people cry about short career superstars going into the Hall of Fame. Terrell Davis was a greater player in '96-'98 (including 8 playoff games) than guys like Curtis Martin or Jerome Bettis were over their entire careers combined. He had 65 TDs in those 55 games. He averaged 4.8 per carry in those regular seasons and 5.6 in the playoffs. 112.7 rushing yards per game in those regular seasons and 142.5 in those 8 playoff games. The argument loses some of its steam when you look at the no-name backs who proceeded to produce under Shanahan after that. The Broncos set the example for the rest of the league with regards to the RB position despite garbage QB play after Elway and the rest of the offense never having the same level of talent as those teams Terrell Davis played on. The knock on Davis isn't just that he had a short career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 hour ago, CKSteeler said: The argument loses some of its steam when you look at the no-name backs who proceeded to produce under Shanahan after that. The Broncos set the example for the rest of the league with regards to the RB position despite garbage QB play after Elway and the rest of the offense never having the same level of talent as those teams Terrell Davis played on. The knock on Davis isn't just that he had a short career. Gary, Anderson, and Bell weren't close to the runner that Davis was though in that Shanahan/Turner/Gibbs system. The only one that came close was Portis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, PapaShogun said: Gary, Anderson, and Bell weren't close to the runner that Davis was though in that Shanahan/Turner/Gibbs system. The only one that came close was Portis. Portis was so, so good when he was in DEN for those initial years. I think he was great, but the zone running system def. inflated his value a little bit and thats why they were able to feel comfortable about that trade with Bailey for him. Portis never really regained that overly dominant 1,500+ yard rushing production when he was in WAS. His YPC fell from 5.5 in DEN to around 4.1 in his time in WAS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotun_Fan Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 If you're a voter in 1998, here's what you see Cunningham having: 1) One of the top 5 receivers of all time 2) Another guy who had one of the best seasons ever for a WR and the best rookie WR season ever (who had a better season than the future hof receiver) 3) Another receiver with several 1000 yard seasons 4) Pro Bowl Runningback 5)3 pro bowl linemen He had a great season no doubt but that is one stacked side of the ball, so his play doesn't stand out much versus his team mates. TD had a historic season and was probably a more valuable player overall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutler06 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Because Davis DESERVED IT !!! 2K is an exclusive club, he took the Broncos to a level Elway alone could not, he was dominant !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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