dll2000 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2019 3 David Montgomery 73 RB 2019 0 0 1 0 10 143 497 5 19 152 0 Iowa St. 2019 4 Riley Ridley 126 WR 0 0 0 Georgia 2019 6 Duke Shelley 205 CB 2019 0 0 0 0 4 Kansas St. 2019 7 Kerrith Whyte, Jr. 222 RB 0 0 0 Florida Atlantic 2019 7 Stephen Denmark 238 CB 0 0 0 Valdosta St. Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2018 1 Roquan Smith 8 ILB 2019 0 0 2 9 25 2 5.0 Georgia 2018 2 James Daniels 39 C 2019 0 0 1 5 26 Iowa 2018 2 Anthony Miller 51 WR 2019 0 0 0 4 25 1 1 8 0 0 7 25 0 56 695 7 Memphis 2018 4 Joel Iyiegbuniwe 115 LB 2019 0 0 0 1 25 Western Kentucky 2018 5 Bilal Nichols 145 DT 2019 0 0 1 5 21 3.0 Delaware 2018 6 Kylie Fitts 181 DE 2018 0 0 0 0 6 Utah 2018 7 Javon Wims 224 WR 2019 0 0 0 0 14 11 113 1 Georgia Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2017 1 Mitchell Trubisky 2 QB 2019 0 1 3 20 35 661 1046 6996 40 23 124 727 5 North Carolina 2017 2 Adam Shaheen 45 TE 2019 0 0 0 1 27 26 249 4 Ashland 2017 4 Eddie Jackson 112 S 2019 1 1 3 20 40 8 1.0 Alabama 2017 4 Tarik Cohen 119 RB 2019 1 1 1 16 42 2 3 22 2 0 224 930 5 167 1329 9 North Carolina A&T 2017 5 Jordan Morgan 147 G 0 0 0 Kutztown Pennsylvania Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2016 1 Leonard Floyd 9 OLB 2019 0 0 4 20 48 1 18.5 Georgia 2016 2 Cody Whitehair 56 G 2019 0 1 3 20 58 Kansas St. 2016 3 Jonathan Bullard 72 DT 2019 0 0 1 7 54 3.0 Florida 2016 4 Nick Kwiatkoski 113 ILB 2019 0 0 0 10 51 1 5.0 West Virginia 2016 4 Deon Bush 124 S 2019 0 0 0 4 48 1.0 Miami (FL) 2016 4 Deiondre' Hall 127 CB 2018 0 0 0 2 23 1 Northern Iowa 2016 5 Jordan Howard 150 RB 2019 0 1 3 21 56 897 3895 30 82 637 2 Indiana 2016 6 DeAndre Houston-Carson 185 S 2019 0 0 0 2 42 William & Mary 2016 7 Daniel Braverman 230 WR 2016 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 West. Michigan Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2015 1 Kevin White 7 WR 2018 0 0 0 2 14 1 9 0 25 285 0 West Virginia 2015 2 Eddie Goldman 39 DT 2019 0 0 4 24 62 12.5 Florida St. 2015 3 Hroniss Grasu 71 C 2018 0 0 1 7 17 0 2 0 Oregon 2015 4 Jeremy Langford 106 RB 2018 0 0 0 8 29 219 762 10 41 421 1 Michigan St. 2015 5 Adrian Amos 142 S 2019 0 0 5 20 70 4 2.0 Penn St. 2015 6 Tayo Fabuluje Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Average, plus a historic bad QB choice that drops him well below average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Notable UDFA: 2015 Bryce Callahan 2016 Roy Robertson-Harris and Ben Braunecker 2017 Rashaad Coward Isaiah Irving 2018 Abdullah Anderson Ryan Nall Kevin Toliver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 2015 Offseason Biggest signings: WR Eddie Royal, DB Antrel Rolle, OLB Pernell McPhee, DT Ray McDonald, LB Mason Foster Biggest re-signings: TE Zach Miller, QB Jimmy Clausen 2016 Offseason Biggest signings: LB Danny Trevathan, OT Bobby Massie, CB Tracy Porter, LB Jerrell Freeman, DL Mitch Unrein, WR Marc Mariani, DL Akiem Hicks, S Omar Bolden, OL Ted Larsen, OL Josh Sitton Biggest re-signings: TE Zach Miller, CB Sherrick McManis 2017 Offseason Biggest signings: WR Markus Wheaton, QB Mike Glennon, DB Quintin Demps, TE Dion Sims, WR Kendall Wright, OL Tom Compton, DB Marcus Cooper, DB Prince Amukamara Biggest re-signings: DB Bryce Callahan, WR Josh Bellamy 2018 Offseason Biggest signings: WR Allen Robinson, WR Taylor Gabriel, K Cody Parkey, QB Chase Daniel, TE Trey Burton, OLB Aaron Lynch Biggest re-signings: CB Kyle Fuller, CB Prince Amukamara, P Pat O'Donnell, CB Sherrick McManis Khalil Mack Trade 2019 HHCD, Mike Davis, Marvin Hall, Ted Larsen, C. Patterson, B. Skrine, resigned a bunch of players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Largest decisions IMO to be evaluated and graded on in order of importance: 1) Tie: MT trade and selection and Khalil Mack trade. 2) Roquan Smith, Leonard Floyd and Kevin White (because they were top 10 picks). 3) Resigning Leno, Whitehair and Massie. 4) Free agents: Rolle, McPhee, Massie, Trevathan, Freeman, Hicks, Larsen, Wheaton, Glennon, Demps, Sims, Prince, Burton, Robinson, Gabriel, HHCD, Skrine, Davis, Patterson 5) 2nd round picks - Daniels, Miller, Goldman, Whitehair, Shaheen 6) 3rd and 4th round picks - Grassu, Langford, Bullard, Kwik, Bush, Hall, Jackson, Cohen, Iggy 7) Kicker 8) Everything else and diamonds in rough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) Add Anthony Miller's sorry and seemingly stupid *** to the "con" side of Pace's pros and cons. This **** is happening with regularity Edited November 20, 2019 by beardown3231 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 0 playoff wins. 1 playoff appearance 4 losing seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 So now we have info. Lets break it down: Largest decisions IMO to be evaluated and graded on in order of importance. This is hindsight grading. I'll note many decisions were not seen as bad at time, but turned out bad and that is ultimately what you get graded on: 1) Tie: MT trade and selection and Khalil Mack trade. MT trade turns out to be F-. MT is looking like a for sure bust. Still a small percent chance that he turns it around. But it's like 1- 4% given injuries and play of him and team. Mack trade on its face still looks good, but light of handcuffs it puts on Bears to fix QB position it looks like a huge mistake in hindsight. Really tough to grade in light of our particular current circumstance. Only way to dig out may be to see if someone else with a QB wants to make a blockbuster trade for Mack. I'll give it an incomplete. 2) Roquan Smith, Leonard Floyd and Kevin White (because they were top 10 picks). Kevin White - bust. Floyd - bust. Roquan Smith mostly good, but really bad stretch this year with personal issues. Also notable that Tremaine Edwards and Vander Esch have also been good. I'll give it a D- overall. 3) Resigning Leno, Whitehair and Massie. All 3 are playing like F garbage this year. I still think Whitehair is a talented and very good football player. I do not think he is a center. I think Massie and Leno are definition of average to below average, but they are paid like it. I'll give it a C. 4) Free agents: Rolle, McPhee, Massie, Trevathan, Freeman, Hicks, Larsen, Wheaton, Glennon, Demps, Sims, Prince, Burton, Robinson, Gabriel, HHCD, Skrine, Davis, Patterson Trevathan, Hicks, Prince, Robinson, HHCD, Skrine have performed to contracts or much above contracts. Rolle, Freeman, McPhee, Larsen, Glennon, Demps, Sims, Burton, Wheaton were busts. Massie, Patterson and Gabriel have been okay. I'll say C- overall. 5) 2nd round picks - Daniels, Miller, Goldman, Whitehair, Shaheen Shaheen is a bust. Daniels and Whitehair I think are very talented players having an abberational horrible year in 2019 so they are tough to grade. Miller I think is talented and has not had QB play to match, but has also done a lot of really dumb things. Also tough to grade. Goldman was a hit. Because I have believe Whitehair has performed and Daniels will still be very good and was good last year and Goldman was good I will give this group a solid B. 6) 3rd and 4th round picks - Grassu, Langford, Bullard, Kwik, Bush, Hall, Jackson, Cohen, Iggy Jackson and Cohen although playing subpar in 2019 and still considered really big hits. Especially Jackson. Rest are busts with Kwik and Bush being average. For round consideration I'll give it a B+. 7) Kicker F. FA signing of Parkey was disaster. I think Pinerio can be good, but is obviously not playing well at moment. 8) Everything else and diamonds in rough. I'll give it a B+. Pace finds a lot of good late rounders and UDFAs with high upside. CONCLUSION: Bears are on a precipice. 2018 was a very good year. 2019 was a year of huge expectations to build off 2018 and obviously has been a disaster. They have to fix O line, TE and QB in one off season without a ton of cap space or draft picks. They are also looking at losing some key players and defensive depth. I think Pace and Nagy get 2020 for sure. It's not looking good. The key was Mitch Trubisky who did not take the hoped for step. I think its possible he would have been good to better if O line and TEs didn't completely go in crapper this season, but we will never know. He has not taken advantage of opportunities he has had with good blocking. I think odds are its a failed regime and we will have to wait until next rebuild. It's still possible to recover as there are still some very talented players on the roster, but it's a long shot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, WindyCity said: 0 playoff wins. 1 playoff appearance 4 losing seasons In fairness it was a rebuild from a long time of bad decisions and 2018 was a good year and 2019 and 2020 were supposed to be the climax. So not counting this year, it was an upward pointing arrow. He got hit with a perfect storm of everything that could go wrong did go wrong. But you are correct in results speak for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Bottom line really unless Bears somehow flip the script in 2020 is Bears (Pace) passed on Watson and Mahomes in 2017. That's all history will remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Biggest Pace hindsight mistakes that doomed him in 2019: 1) Passing on Mahomes and drafting MT. 2) Drafting White and Floyd. 3) Not investing in better offensive tackles and settling for Massie and Leno time and again. How your O line goes so goes your offense - most of time. Unless you have a quick thinking QB who can overcome. Those are rare. 4) Resigning Long to large contract instead of leaving off him much sooner. 5) Continuous disastrous decisions at TE position - notably Sims, Burton and Shaheen. Then not addressing obvious TE need in 2019 offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BACK2MACKSACK Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Pace should be on the hotseat this offseason. The way I look at it, he has one task: To have a 10-6 record or better during the 2020 season. If he does that, then he can keep his job despite the mistakes he's made. He's had some bad offseasons and some good, but for him its now all on the line. I really don't care how he does it. For him its sink or swim. Even if we do bad, we could fire Pace toward the midseason and just tank for a high pick. We could decide whether to keep Nagy or start fresh with a different coach. For me, I want to upgrade the OT, TE, and OLB positions via the draft. I don't think our draft capital is significant enough to get a good QB and I want to go all in on 2021. Leonard Floyd is okay, but he's definitely not going to worth his pricetag in the future. Finding good EDGE players require significant capital whether it's via free agency or draft and we might have to use a 2nd round pick to upgrade this premium position. Also for the longest time, everybody knows this team is starved for a franchise QB but I can't recall the last time we've had a stud Blindside Tackle. So if the most important position on offense is QB. Then by definition the most important position on defense is the Pass Rusher. But then, the second most important position on offense could be the stud OT. And if you're going against a 3-4 D, it could depend on where the pass rusher is coming from. This is a position that Pace has yet to invest a high draft pick on. I can't recall many teams ever letting stud tackles see the light of free agency unless they are old and overpaid. I think that we could do much better than having a 7th round pick and a mediocre free agency acquisition protecting our QB, regardless of how bad he is. Plus, it can help our running game too. I also wouldn't mind spending the pick on a TE. In my opinion the third round is the sweet spot on drafting a TE, but I wouldn't mind shelling out a second round pick for a position that we lack in talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB 1 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 hours ago, dll2000 said: So now we have info. Lets break it down: Largest decisions IMO to be evaluated and graded on in order of importance. This is hindsight grading. I'll note many decisions were not seen as bad at time, but turned out bad and that is ultimately what you get graded on: 1) Tie: MT trade and selection and Khalil Mack trade. MT trade turns out to be F-. MT is looking like a for sure bust. Still a small percent chance that he turns it around. But it's like 1- 4% given injuries and play of him and team. Mack trade on its face still looks good, but light of handcuffs it puts on Bears to fix QB position it looks like a huge mistake in hindsight. Really tough to grade in light of our particular current circumstance. Only way to dig out may be to see if someone else with a QB wants to make a blockbuster trade for Mack. I'll give it an incomplete. 2) Roquan Smith, Leonard Floyd and Kevin White (because they were top 10 picks). Kevin White - bust. Floyd - bust. Roquan Smith mostly good, but really bad stretch this year with personal issues. Also notable that Tremaine Edwards and Vander Esch have also been good. I'll give it a D- overall. 3) Resigning Leno, Whitehair and Massie. All 3 are playing like F garbage this year. I still think Whitehair is a talented and very good football player. I do not think he is a center. I think Massie and Leno are definition of average to below average, but they are paid like it. I'll give it a C. 4) Free agents: Rolle, McPhee, Massie, Trevathan, Freeman, Hicks, Larsen, Wheaton, Glennon, Demps, Sims, Prince, Burton, Robinson, Gabriel, HHCD, Skrine, Davis, Patterson Trevathan, Hicks, Prince, Robinson, HHCD, Skrine have performed to contracts or much above contracts. Rolle, Freeman, McPhee, Larsen, Glennon, Demps, Sims, Burton, Wheaton were busts. Massie, Patterson and Gabriel have been okay. I'll say C- overall. 5) 2nd round picks - Daniels, Miller, Goldman, Whitehair, Shaheen Shaheen is a bust. Daniels and Whitehair I think are very talented players having an abberational horrible year in 2019 so they are tough to grade. Miller I think is talented and has not had QB play to match, but has also done a lot of really dumb things. Also tough to grade. Goldman was a hit. Because I have believe Whitehair has performed and Daniels will still be very good and was good last year and Goldman was good I will give this group a solid B. 6) 3rd and 4th round picks - Grassu, Langford, Bullard, Kwik, Bush, Hall, Jackson, Cohen, Iggy Jackson and Cohen although playing subpar in 2019 and still considered really big hits. Especially Jackson. Rest are busts with Kwik and Bush being average. For round consideration I'll give it a B+. 7) Kicker F. FA signing of Parkey was disaster. I think Pinerio can be good, but is obviously not playing well at moment. 8) Everything else and diamonds in rough. I'll give it a B+. Pace finds a lot of good late rounders and UDFAs with high upside. CONCLUSION: Bears are on a precipice. 2018 was a very good year. 2019 was a year of huge expectations to build off 2018 and obviously has been a disaster. They have to fix O line, TE and QB in one off season without a ton of cap space or draft picks. They are also looking at losing some key players and defensive depth. I think Pace and Nagy get 2020 for sure. It's not looking good. The key was Mitch Trubisky who did not take the hoped for step. I think its possible he would have been good to better if O line and TEs didn't completely go in crapper this season, but we will never know. He has not taken advantage of opportunities he has had with good blocking. I think odds are its a failed regime and we will have to wait until next rebuild. It's still possible to recover as there are still some very talented players on the roster, but it's a long shot. Pace has screwed up the first round picks with the exception of Roquan who i think will still be good despite 2 poor games after the personal problems. pace made the mack trade with the expectation that Trubisky would be the answer at QB. So far he hasn't been and that is why the Bears are 4-6 this year. What makes the Trubisky, Floyd and Miller picks worse is that he traded extra picks for them so they used more on them then the draft pick. If you trade extra picks for players then they better be good and so far they have not been that good. Still think that if the Bears make the right picks in the 2nd round and smart moves and have a healthy Hicks that this team can rebound next year. Pace could be fired if you think he screwed up the Trubisky pick. Which is why i still think that Pace will give Trubisky his 4th season as he still has to much invested in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB 1 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 hours ago, dll2000 said: Biggest Pace hindsight mistakes that doomed him in 2019: 1) Passing on Mahomes and drafting MT. 2) Drafting White and Floyd. 3) Not investing in better offensive tackles and settling for Massie and Leno time and again. How your O line goes so goes your offense - most of time. Unless you have a quick thinking QB who can overcome. Those are rare. 4) Resigning Long to large contract instead of leaving off him much sooner. 5) Continuous disastrous decisions at TE position - notably Sims, Burton and Shaheen. Then not addressing obvious TE need in 2019 offseason. Pace screwing up the Trubisky pick is #1 and #2. He should have drafted an OT instead of taking White if one was available. Floyd is an NFL player but not a pass rusher so he is a bad pick because of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, BACK2MACKSACK said: Pace should be on the hotseat this offseason. The way I look at it, he has one task: To have a 10-6 record or better during the 2020 season. If he does that, then he can keep his job despite the mistakes he's made. He's had some bad offseasons and some good, but for him its now all on the line. I really don't care how he does it. For him its sink or swim. Even if we do bad, we could fire Pace toward the midseason and just tank for a high pick. We could decide whether to keep Nagy or start fresh with a different coach. For me, I want to upgrade the OT, TE, and OLB positions via the draft. I don't think our draft capital is significant enough to get a good QB and I want to go all in on 2021. Leonard Floyd is okay, but he's definitely not going to worth his pricetag in the future. Finding good EDGE players require significant capital whether it's via free agency or draft and we might have to use a 2nd round pick to upgrade this premium position. Also for the longest time, everybody knows this team is starved for a franchise QB but I can't recall the last time we've had a stud Blindside Tackle. So if the most important position on offense is QB. Then by definition the most important position on defense is the Pass Rusher. But then, the second most important position on offense could be the stud OT. And if you're going against a 3-4 D, it could depend on where the pass rusher is coming from. This is a position that Pace has yet to invest a high draft pick on. I can't recall many teams ever letting stud tackles see the light of free agency unless they are old and overpaid. I think that we could do much better than having a 7th round pick and a mediocre free agency acquisition protecting our QB, regardless of how bad he is. Plus, it can help our running game too. I also wouldn't mind spending the pick on a TE. In my opinion the third round is the sweet spot on drafting a TE, but I wouldn't mind shelling out a second round pick for a position that we lack in talent. Ejector seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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