Broncofan Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, The BILLievers said: Clearly. FYI he is top 3 QB in most accuracy stats from 10-20 yards and the intermediate accuracy was his biggest question mark going into the season. Josh Allen is in a no win situation 24/7 because the media ate him up pre draft. and even after improving from year 1 to year 2 that's now only because he played "bad" teams. Well a bad QB looks like a bad QB no matter what and he's still doing that against 7 NFL teams. No chance I'd rather have Drew Lock over him lmao. Take away just the NE game and his season stats are very good. Pats have an elite elite secondary and BB knows how to gameplan for rookies. I guess we'll talk after sunday but here's to an injury free game. Both teams are very similar but Bills have the superior QB and play at home so ill go 20-14 Bills. FWIW, we don't expect the game outcome to really determine Allen's case as a successful top 10 pick. You guys should win handily even with just a serviceable QB. Facing a good D, though, it will give a better indication of where things are at in his year 2 progress (NE has really been the only elite D, CLE might have counted if their CB's weren't back from a prolonged absence, and their team just so undisciplined overall....). There's no doubt, though, that Allen has made progress - the big thing is he's not turning the ball over. That's an area he had problems with last year. The accuracy issues are likely never going to go completely away, either - he still misses throws that any replacement-level QB will make, and it's maddening when it happens. He more than counterbalances it by making throws that only 2-3 guys in the league can make, though. His TD to John Brown last week is a good example of that. The other part that makes him more valuable to BUF than anywhere else - his abilities are the most weather-resistent of the 2018 draft class. And I say this is a guy who had nothing but doubts on Allen's floor because of the flaws. Now, eventually, his running skills will decline, and usually in the first 4-5 years with the wear & tear that the NFL provides - so that's when his abilities as a pocket passer will need to be truly mature. Until then, though, his running skills do help him a fair amount - just not so much against good D's that can control it. Bad D's, though, he absolutely murders with his dual-threat abilities. The competition argument is a very fair one - so in that respect, facing DEN is a good test, as our pass D likely will be the 2nd best he's faced so far (we're no longer elite, as MIN showed last week, but we're probably 2nd with CLE a close 3rd with fresh-off-return starting CB's in that game). But even then, Allen's only in his 2nd year, and he's showing clear improvements, so it's not like the book is closed in that regard. In the end, even if Allen's not an elite QB, but a steady, top 9-12 tier guy, for a rookie level deal, that's a complete W. Given the state of QB these days, it's pretty easy to make an argument he belongs in the 9-12 tier, although it's been vs. a really soft schedule. But even if he drops a little, as long as he's a top 12-ish guy going forward, still a W. It's more of whether the big 2nd contract is worth the performance, but that's a discussion the Bills can have in Year 6, after the 5th year option is done. For now, keep hoping for more progress, and marvel at the talent that's there, and hope the flaws keep getting corrected (or at least, reduced, because the ceiling is so high). Edited November 22, 2019 by Broncofan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBruin Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 4 hours ago, lomaxgrUK said: QB spying is definitely an option against the Bills. You don't get punished for taking a man out of coverage/pass rush as much as you should because their receiving threats aren't at the level to really punish you. However, we don't really have the athletes at LB to do it, so I will be interested to see if we perhaps bring Will Parks in as a 3rd down LB on 3rd and 5+ to help with the spying. I just want to see more development from our young guys. I thought our interior OL had a bounce back game of sorts last week, having struggled for a few weeks. Hopefully we see more of that, as well as Noah Fant showing his improved comfort level out there. Hollins has played almost exclusively outside recently, but I'd be intrigued to see him mirroring Allen a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, BroncoBruin said: Hollins has played almost exclusively outside recently, but I'd be intrigued to see him mirroring Allen a few times. Sadly not an option. He’s ruled out this week. Edited November 23, 2019 by Broncofan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 I think this is a first. The entire first quarter played with not one comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsthomp2007 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 I WI say that the Bolles holding penalty let a lot of air out of the balloon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolly red giant Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) Bills defence is good - the Broncos offence isn't (particularly with a banged up OL) Edited November 24, 2019 by jolly red giant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolly red giant Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share Posted November 24, 2019 Risner doing a good job blocking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 We really don't have the defensive personnel to stuff a no huddle offense. Giving up 200 yds on the ground and not forcing a punt for the first 40 minutes. Hard to win that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 39 minutes ago, jsthomp2007 said: I WI say that the Bolles holding penalty let a lot of air out of the balloon. Kinda like Risner's 15 yarder in our first drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolly red giant Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share Posted November 24, 2019 Allen has been poor this game - will we see Lock next week? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBruin Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 A shame to miss the morning slate watching that dull, lifeless game. Five more games of Allen at QB helps nobody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Well no surprises today. Offense lacks talent. Defense lacks heart. Coaching staff is inept. Front office and “ownership” are clueless. Curious how the Fangio apologists want to spin this one. Let’s hear it, guys....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 18 minutes ago, AnAngryAmerican said: Well no surprises today. Offense lacks talent. Defense lacks heart. Coaching staff is inept. Front office and “ownership” are clueless. Curious how the Fangio apologists want to spin this one. Let’s hear it, guys....? Uh, like you said, he's lacking a lot of player talent. Not good enough "D" personnel to play against a no-huddle, practice squad QB, meh OL, limited playmakers, poor punter,............. I could go on but it's a start. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBruin Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Where does "defense lacks heart" even come from? Because they gave up some plays, they don't "want it"? These sort of arguments are best served steaming hot on local radio or TV "debate" shows on Monday mornings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234567 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Anytime you are devoid of talent across the board, you’re gonna have games like this. It also appears that the hurry up offense is this defense’s Achilles. And that’s understandable considering this team’s lack of depth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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