vikesfan89 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Spartacus said: Because coaching at the NFL level is overrated as a whole. Of the top 10 tenured NFL coaches here are their defining QBS: 1. Tom Brady 2. Drew Brees 3. Big Ben 4. Joe Flacco & Lamar Jackson 5. Tony Romo & Dak Prescott 6. Russel Wilson 7. Cam Newton 8. Alex Smith & Patrick Mahomes 9. Deshaun Watson 10. Kirk Cousins The bolded IMO are QBs that are consistently good week in and week out. Even the ones that are not bolded at the very least are generally above average NFL QBs during their heyday. QB & talent on the team matter a whole lot more than who is coaching them. Only BB has been able to IMO really cross that gap into making the team better than the overall talent and he has had the greatest QB of all time at a discount for a number of those years. Zimmer got to the playoffs with Ponder and Bridgewater as QBs and Keenum Edited November 26, 2019 by vikesfan89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilenFroggen Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Rivera will be a great hire next year. Sometimes the message just gets stale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leoric Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 25 minutes ago, DaveDX said: Rivera will be a great hire next year. Sometimes the message just gets stale. I think Riverboat Ron is an excellent choice for a team that needs to get from dog house to average/playoff contender. One of those other guys I always thought would get a second chance but didn’t was Brian Billick. No idea why another team didn’t roll the dice with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trentwannabe Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Bills hired a somewhat proven college coach in Doug Marrone and a proven coach in Rex Ryan that both faltered for different reasons. They then hired a proven coordinator with zero HC experience and are off to their best start since the 90's. Everyone is unproven until they're not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXsteeler Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 8 hours ago, tannenballs said: or dip into the college pool where these guys run programs and deal with even more off field/big picture stuff than an NFL coach does? Probably because college vs NFL is so different. In College you can win just off of getting better recruits than anyone else because of your program's status and lack of parity rules in college ball. Also, in College you have at most 2 or 3 guys that are big enough stars to really have any ego and cause you headaches whereas in the NFL you might have two or three times as many on your team. College coaches are also largely dealing with kids who are there for free rides and such or just the opportunity to play ball, in the NFL every one of your players is a millionaire and half of them tend to be grown men in their late 20s or 30s with kids and a family. The dynamic is very different and it takes a different kind of leader to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriotsheatyan Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 11 hours ago, resilient part 2 said: Isn't that better than hiring a proven loser??or recycling the same old same old... Belichick, Carroll, Coughlin, Kubiak, Dungy make 12/18 Super Bowl Champions. Gruden was also on his second team, which would be 13/18 SB won by guys on their second team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 12 hours ago, tannenballs said: Why don't NFL teams go after proven HC like McCarthy or dip into the college pool where these guys run programs and deal with even more off field/big picture stuff than an NFL coach does? Because for every Coach like you described above Franchises are looking and praying they find the next John Harbaugh Mike Tomlin Doug Pederson ...... Dan Quinn (Made a SB) Ron Rivera (Made a SB) Sean McVay (Made a SB) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split the Sticks Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 8 hours ago, kramxel said: Because no one trades a good coach. Even for an epic haul. Basically, that's true. One very notable exception. The Jets traded Bill Belichick to the Patriots for a 1st rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split the Sticks Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 7 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: Because with established coaches, you know what you’re getting for the most part. McCarthy has a championship to his name, but most renowned coaches hitting the market aren’t doing so because they had such an awesome stint with their last team. Guys like Tomlin, Carroll, Payton, even Harbaugh, don’t hit the market often. Reid did and you can see how that’s paid off for KC. So that leaves teams with a few different options (if they don’t want to go for the recycled coach): a young coordinator looking to get a shot (Patricia), a coordinator who struck out as a HC but wants another shot (McDaniels), a complete wild card usually with less than desirable experience (Kitchens, LeFleur), or a college coach (Kliff). Really comes down to the whole “devil you know” saying. I could hit a home run with this new guy or just hope this career-decent guy flips a switch. At least in the first scenario with the new coach, he’ll be easier to fire if he sucks. well put. I'll tell ya one coach that would get snapped up in a heartbeat if he came out of retirement, Tony Dungy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 6 hours ago, vikesfan89 said: Zimmer got to the playoffs with Ponder and Bridgewater as QBs and Keenum I'm not saying it's impossible to win without a QB but if Ponder was still the QB you think Zimmer has a job right now? Also those teams were stacked with talent defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistakey Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 18 minutes ago, Split the Sticks said: Basically, that's true. One very notable exception. The Jets traded Bill Belichick to the Patriots for a 1st rounder. bucs traded for chucky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannenballs Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) I should've emphasized the college coach part of this question. Patricia is struggling in Detroit because he can't handle it all. Has even been late to multiple press conferences and has a BB attitude with reporters. College coaches have experience being the face and building a program. Any team in need of a head coach would be wise to look at college. Hell, Kingsbury got fired and is doing alright. Edited November 27, 2019 by tannenballs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, vikesfan89 said: Zimmer got to the playoffs with Ponder and Bridgewater as QBs and Keenum I wish, but wrong. Edited November 27, 2019 by SteelKing728 That was Frazier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENINCH Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Why do that give unproven coaches the COY award after one season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENINCH Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 15 hours ago, vikesfan89 said: Zimmer got to the playoffs with Ponder and Bridgewater as QBs and Keenum That was Frazier that got there with Ponder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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