w4rrior723 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 21 minutes ago, Go_Giants said: Yes I have seen this offense, I have seen it enough not to trust it to convert a fourth down. Yes, it was absolutely a bad decision to go for it on 4th. Either we way you slice it, you need two scores. You have to take the points when you can get them. There was a whole 4th quarter left to score again. Failing to convert on 4th puts you in a much tougher position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Solari needs to be fired. The technique of every OL is abysmal and that falls on him. Sullivan needs to be handed the diner menu. He's called plays before and he knows Eli better than Mcadoo does. There needs to be a shakeup there. Lastly, you have to shuffle the OL. Normally, I'd never call for that but we are already shuffling because of Hart being injured. Move Pugh to LT, plug Jones in at LG, and move Flowers over to RT. If he sucks there as well, which he might, bench him for Wheeler. If you're not going to help your LT in pass protection with chips from a TE or RB after he has shown for 3 years now he cannot handle speed rushers, then you need to bench him. Its that simple. The solution isn't to keep letting him get beat and let Eli get hit. That's the definition of insanity. Speaking of Eli, he needs to get a lot better. He was off target, his internal clock wasn't functioning, and he was unaware of his surroundings. Having an older QB that is relatively immobile is fine as long as his pocket presence and mental game is still there. Not only does Eli seem to stop diagnosing the field once the ball is snapped, but his arm is erratic now too. It looks like it is shot. Anyone else notice this offense isnt even close to looking like the one Mcadoo had us running when he was OC? What happened to Eli getting rid of the ball in 2 seconds almost every play, lessening the negative impact of bad pass blocking tackles and getting the ball into the hands of talented receivers? What happened to that offense that got Mcadoo his job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Coaching is part to blame, but these linemen were not good draft picks. Flowers might be a good guard, Pugh is okay. The rest of the guys just aren't good. Jerry can't move. Richburg and jones look like high school sized linemen. They're simply not big or strong enough to move people in the running game. Going into next season we need at least 3 new linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telso Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Ben McAdoo: Ereck Flowers will "absolutely" be LT. Asked if he will retain play calling, "We'll evaluate things each and every day." We need new oline and new head coach. McAdoo has all those great cliches and lines, but he is so over his head that it's ridiculous. "heavy handed" when you play goal line situation from the shotgun. We have 2 or 3 running plays and don't have slightest idea how to run those. Offense is soft and predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 38 minutes ago, Gmen said: Coaching is part to blame, but these linemen were not good draft picks. Flowers might be a good guard, Pugh is okay. The rest of the guys just aren't good. Jerry can't move. Richburg and jones look like high school sized linemen. They're simply not big or strong enough to move people in the running game. Going into next season we need at least 3 new linemen. Flowers would be a worse guard than tackle. Flowers is still good in the run game at tackle. We just never run enough to show off. Darkwa got his ritual 1 carry for 10+ yards then barely saw another carry. Thats a huge problem. Pugh+Flowers deuce blocks have been good and effective ever since the 2 started playing next to each other. Its a shame we will never see the results from that because Jerry and Hart cant backside block and our TEs can't block at all. Richburg is fantastic in pass pro, good enough in the run game. I wish we could clone Pugh 3 times so he could play LT, LG, RG, and RT at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 3 hours ago, w4rrior723 said: Yes, it was absolutely a bad decision to go for it on 4th. Either we way you slice it, you need two scores. You have to take the points when you can get them. There was a whole 4th quarter left to score again. Failing to convert on 4th puts you in a much tougher position. You're struggling to get in the redzone all night and the chances you getting there again are slim. You take the risk. We go for 3 there And it amounts to little because it means we have to drive down the field again and it has to be flawless. If we were a high flying offense then yeah I say take the FG because we will have another drive to score a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Kip Smithers said: You're struggling to get in the redzone all night and the chances you getting there again are slim. You take the risk. We go for 3 there And it amounts to little because it means we have to drive down the field again and it has to be flawless. If we were a high flying offense then yeah I say take the FG because we will have another drive to score a TD. Exactly. It was 17-7 and you're at the 1 in a game where you've had very little success moving the ball. You have to take the shot and make the game within 3 and hope to get back in FG range later for the tie. If you don't convert you've put Detroit at their own 1. Even if you don't get a safety you're more then likely going to get the ball back close to field goal range anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Hey guys. What are your thoughts on the OBJ block on Jarrad Davis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMENNATION Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 23 hours ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: Hey guys. What are your thoughts on the OBJ block on Jarrad Davis? I don't think it was intentional but definitely a bad play. Can't put somebody in harm's way like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 1 hour ago, GMENNATION said: I don't think it was intentional but definitely a bad play. Can't put somebody in harm's way like that. Yea I don't think it was of ill intent but should have definitely been flagged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 4 hours ago, GMENNATION said: I don't think it was intentional but definitely a bad play. Can't put somebody in harm's way like that. Interesting. I thought it was just a hard hit and (poor) attempt at a block. I didn't have an issue with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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