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15 hours ago, jrry32 said:

How anyone doesn't see that starting the "safer option" over a rookie who has shown ability on a team going nowhere is a bad move long term is beyond me. It's quite simple to understand. If Minshew were a first rounder, nobody would seriously entertain the thought. The only reason you start a middling bridge QB is if your rookie isn't ready or you're a contender. Neither apply/applied to this situation.

Disingenuous to call Foles a safer option to some degree don't you think? Have you seen his post-season stats? They're pretty incredible. 

Might be more accurate to call him a "proven option."

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45 minutes ago, lolsurebro said:

Disingenuous to call Foles a safer option to some degree don't you think? Have you seen his post-season stats? They're pretty incredible. 

Might be more accurate to call him a "proven option."

I'm not sure I'd say "proven". You could argue that maybe theres a better baseline for expectations, but I'm not going to call the guy proven when he has had so much failure during his career. He played well on some very strong philly teams and that's about it. He has never really proven to stay healthy either.

 

Starting the stache is the right choice. The team isnt winning anyway. Play minshew and and figure out if he has enough to be a starter. Depending on what he does plus next seasons training camp you can better evaluate whether Foles or minshew should be the starter next season.

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17 hours ago, jrry32 said:

The only reason you start a middling bridge QB is if your rookie isn't ready or you're a contender. Neither apply/applied to this situation.

Gardner Minshew is not ready. Full stop.

It's not a coincidence that Minshew started to wilt once game film was out there - and it's not a coincidence that his worst game as a pro was against the first team he's had to play a second time in the Texans. The Texans knew what Minshew liked to do from their first game and they game planned for that and took it away, and Minshew collapsed. A vet QB adjusts mid game, Minshew couldn't - that's what you'd expect from a rookie QB, the mental game is exponentially greater at this level. 

Film is out there, countermeasures were drawn up and Minshew couldn't counterpunch accordingly. Perhaps that's on the coaching staff, but it's something you can't continue to rely on if you're out there trying to win a division title.

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13 hours ago, ET80 said:

Gardner Minshew is not ready. Full stop.

It's not a coincidence that Minshew started to wilt once game film was out there - and it's not a coincidence that his worst game as a pro was against the first team he's had to play a second time in the Texans. The Texans knew what Minshew liked to do from their first game and they game planned for that and took it away, and Minshew collapsed. A vet QB adjusts mid game, Minshew couldn't - that's what you'd expect from a rookie QB, the mental game is exponentially greater at this level. 

Film is out there, countermeasures were drawn up and Minshew couldn't counterpunch accordingly. Perhaps that's on the coaching staff, but it's something you can't continue to rely on if you're out there trying to win a division title.

Gardner Minshew is ready. Full stop. And the entire point of playing him is to give him a chance to adapt to how team's have adapted to him. If he can't, he's not your guy. If he can, he's worth sticking with for another year. The Jaguars weren't going to win a division title. They weren't going anywhere. I'm not going to live in fantasy land like some of y'all.

14 hours ago, lolsurebro said:

Disingenuous to call Foles a safer option to some degree don't you think? Have you seen his post-season stats? They're pretty incredible. 

Might be more accurate to call him a "proven option."

Have you seen his regular season stats? They're pretty mediocre. Mark Sanchez and Joe Flacco also played well in the post-season. The only thing "proven" about Nick Foles is that he's not a long-term starter or a franchise QB. So no, it wasn't disingenuous for me to call him the "safer option." If anything, it was generous.

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18 hours ago, ET80 said:

Gardner Minshew is not ready. Full stop.

It's not a coincidence that Minshew started to wilt once game film was out there - and it's not a coincidence that his worst game as a pro was against the first team he's had to play a second time in the Texans. The Texans knew what Minshew liked to do from their first game and they game planned for that and took it away, and Minshew collapsed. A vet QB adjusts mid game, Minshew couldn't - that's what you'd expect from a rookie QB, the mental game is exponentially greater at this level. 

Film is out there, countermeasures were drawn up and Minshew couldn't counterpunch accordingly. Perhaps that's on the coaching staff, but it's something you can't continue to rely on if you're out there trying to win a division title.

So because teams took away his escape routes and force him to stay behind one of the leagues worst OLs, that’s somehow Minshews fault? Very few QBs would thrive in the Jags situation this year. They are awful up front, couldn’t stop the run, had a fractured locker room and front office. Minshew was one of about five reasons for optimism the entire season.  

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5 hours ago, jrry32 said:

The Jaguars weren't going to win a division title. They weren't going anywhere. I'm not going to live in fantasy land like some of y'all.

You really don't follow the AFCS, do you? It's virtually a coin flip every single year. Once Blake Bortles (and Andrew Luck and JJ Watt to a lesser extent) were out of the equation, it was anyone's ballgame at 4-5.

Trying to state otherwise is ignoring how this division plays out.

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29 minutes ago, sammymvpknight said:

So because teams took away his escape routes and force him to stay behind one of the leagues worst OLs, that’s somehow Minshews fault?

I didn't say that - I said he didn't adapt and when you're in the middle of a division race (which the Jags were in at the time) you lean towards the stable play over the risky play - which is exactly what Nick Foles was.

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