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[Forge]

2 minutes ago, N4L said:

 

Me and John are sympatico. 

I think they overachieved under Flores. He may be abrasive as hell, but I think he's a high quality coach. I don't think that team is on the cusp of anything special. 

Moore can take it. I think he's overrated anyway lol 

[JIllg]

1 hour ago, Forge said:

Me and John are sympatico. 

I think they overachieved under Flores. He may be abrasive as hell, but I think he's a high quality coach. I don't think that team is on the cusp of anything special. 

Moore can take it. I think he's overrated anyway lol 

And you’ll be meh-ing around with Tua and a roster that isn’t capable of carrying meh. 

[struby3]

1 hour ago, Forge said:

Foerster has the O-line. 

I'm not sure what all Bobby Turners' job entails, but I could see someone like Klay Kubiak sliding into that role pretty easily. I assume that we are going to get Hankerson / Welker moving up the ranks in time as well. 

Yeah, but OL coaches also being running game coordinators is fairly common. Jeff Stoutland in Philly, Stenavich in GB, Sean Kugler in ARZ, John Benton for Saleh, Pollack in Cincy, and Jay Rodgers for the Chargers. Might be others. 

I would say that Kubiak becoming RGC isn't likely since he is currently a defensive assistant, but I'm pretty sure Bobby Slowik was a defensive assistant immediately before becoming offensive passing game specialist.

[GW21]

1 minute ago, struby3 said:

Yeah, but OL coaches also being running game coordinators is fairly common. Jeff Stoutland in Philly, Stenavich in GB, Sean Kugler in ARZ, John Benton for Saleh, Pollack in Cincy, and Jay Rodgers for the Chargers. Might be others. 

I would say that Kubiak becoming RGC isn't likely since he is currently a defensive assistant, but I'm pretty sure Bobby Slowik was a defensive assistant immediately before becoming offensive passing game specialist.

Pretty sure he was the Vikings OC last year.

[Forge]

4 minutes ago, struby3 said:

I would say that Kubiak becoming RGC isn't likely since he is currently a defensive assistant, but I'm pretty sure Bobby Slowik was a defensive assistant immediately before becoming offensive passing game specialist.

He's a QC guy, not really an assistant, which is pretty much just watching tape for the actual coaches. Offense, defense...not sure that is a big deal in that role. In fact, you may want to do have them on defense as QC to get a better understanding of the other side of the ball. He's the son of Gary and brother of Klint, so he probably has a lot of familiarity with the scheme overall 

[struby3]

1 minute ago, GW21 said:

Pretty sure he was the Vikings OC last year.

That was his brother Klint

[Forge]

1 minute ago, GW21 said:

Pretty sure he was the Vikings OC last year.

That's Klint, Gary's other kid. 

[GW21]

Just now, struby3 said:

That was his brother Klint

You are absolutely right. How many kids does Gary have!?!

[struby3]

1 minute ago, GW21 said:

You are absolutely right. How many kids does Gary have!?!

Klein Kubiak is a scout for Dallas, I believe. Not sure if there is a fourth!

[P_locniners]

I have seen a couple news reports stating that Tom Brady is expected to retire and the announcement could be made soon.

if this is the case…….

I could definitely see the Bucs as a top landing spot for Jimmy G and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bucs would be willing to part with a 1st or 2nd for him. It makes a lot of sense and I don’t think the Bucs would be ready to let Kyle Trask start in that offense and, despite not having a “big-arm”, I can see Jimmy G fitting in well in the Arians offense

[adamq]

1 hour ago, P_locniners said:

I have seen a couple news reports stating that Tom Brady is expected to retire and the announcement could be made soon.

if this is the case…….

I could definitely see the Bucs as a top landing spot for Jimmy G and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bucs would be willing to part with a 1st or 2nd for him. It makes a lot of sense and I don’t think the Bucs would be ready to let Kyle Trask start in that offense and, despite not having a “big-arm”, I can see Jimmy G fitting in well in the Arians offense

Arians claiming they will roll with Trask/Gabbert is even more laughable than Pittsburgh saying they are set with Rudolph/Haskins 🤣

[757-NINER]

I really like Trask as a guy to develop down the road. Not so much for Arians offense but I think in a West Coast based scheme, he going to be solid. Think Mac with a much better arm.

[rudyZ]

19 hours ago, 757-NINER said:

Meh, that's just pushing the goalposts with the 'coaching tree' narrative. How's the Belichick tree done in the past? There was a time until Flores came along and maybe O'Brien that ALL of BB's disciples were a disaster waiting to happen

Not to get too far off topic but the whole 'not interviewing well' just seems like a lazy, substandard rationale tbh.

If I'm in the business of winning football games, I want the best football guy....not the best interviewer. But that's just me. Too many personnel ppl get caught up on facets of a being a coach that don't translate to winning on the field. Bieniemy knows offensive football and has developed one of the most potent offenses in the league. Reid has gushed over his IQ and football acumenn for years now. Yes, his past transgressions may cause a little pushback for some. But they shouldn't continue to keep him from securing a HC job. 

I'm just going to say it...there's still a slight stigma around black OCs and not being as 'intelligent' enough or as 'innovative' as their white counterparts. Reid gets most of the credit for that offense but it's Bieniemy who is the playcaller and has brought alot of the college spread wrinkles that are now incopersted into that KC offensive juggernaut.

Black DCs will get the benefit of the doubt because a defensive strategist isn't seen in the same light as a offensive guy. Offense is looked at as more cerebral, more calculated and tactical. I say that from being around HS & college coaches for years now and hearing how they detail certain aspects of the game and approach each side of the ball. 

Bieniemy not coming off as charismatic or engaging enough has ZERO to do with winning football games. Again, BB had the personality of a wet doughnut. Man is a gotdamn football savant tho. EB has earned the chance to get a shot. I mean in a league where Adam Gase was hired TWICE as a HC.....GTFO!!

/ rant

If I'm an owner, in 2022, I'd look more for interpersonal skills, teaching skills, etc., than I would have in the past. The Xs and Os still come first, but if I'm interviewing a HC, I'll also give a call to people who have worked with him. The HC needs to be more than a strategist, he has to understand people. And that may not translate to charisma either. If the first thing the HC says is "my press conferences will suck", I don't really care, as long as he can communicate with the players and with the coaching staff, and with the front office. And those are all things that are hard to determine after a google search, and watching press conferences. From the little I can tell, Adam Gase was hired for the wrong reasons. For all I can tell, Bienemy might be discarded for the wrong reasons as well. But I'm not the one making the phone calls to people he's worked with. If it can weaken the Chiefs, I hope he does get a job!

[rudyZ]

1 hour ago, 757-NINER said:

I really like Trask as a guy to develop down the road. Not so much for Arians offense but I think in a West Coast based scheme, he going to be solid. Think Mac with a much better arm.

To be honest, I thought Trask looked like Trash in the pre-season. I think he'll be an interception machine in the NFL.

[rudyZ]

15 hours ago, struby3 said:

Yeah, but OL coaches also being running game coordinators is fairly common. Jeff Stoutland in Philly, Stenavich in GB, Sean Kugler in ARZ, John Benton for Saleh, Pollack in Cincy, and Jay Rodgers for the Chargers. Might be others. 

I would say that Kubiak becoming RGC isn't likely since he is currently a defensive assistant, but I'm pretty sure Bobby Slowik was a defensive assistant immediately before becoming offensive passing game specialist.

I think starting out as a defensive coach is pretty standard in the Shanahan school of coaching. Kyle himself started in the NFL as a defensive coach in Tampa. While Kyle was in Atlanta, Raheem Morris was an offensive assistant, even though he's a defensive coordinator now. It helps to get perspective. So a Kubiak being a defensive assistant, in my eyes, is just a prelude to jumping to the offensive side eventually. Yes, I read that Slowik had been a defensive assistant before (i think it's on the niners coaching staff bio page), so to me, I think that's an indicator of his trajectory as a coach, and that he will probably be in line for a promotion at some point. If McDaniel leaves, does he get elevated to OC? Rich Scangarello, who has done the job (although he was fired from the job too)? Do we go back to an OC by committee like we had with the two Mikes before this year? I think the team doesn't really care about making that distinction (of naming someone OC) unless it is to stop another team from poaching these guys to be OC elsewhere. If we don't promote McDaniel last offseason, we perhaps lose both Mikes to other teams. So now, the only way we lose McDaniel is if he gets hired to be a head coach. If that happens, and there's no intention of poaching our top offensive guys, there's no immediate need to appoint an OC.