ThatJerkDave Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 16 hours ago, pacman5252 said: The D is good enough to win a super bowl if our O was 2017 good. Not sure we have the juice but between Rodgers ultra conservatism we are designed to win the turn over battle which means we have a 70% chance in most games. If they go on a run, it will be much like the Giants of 07 or 11. We have the pass rushers. If Fackrell goes off for a few games and/or the switch goes on for Gary, this is a lethal pass rush. Is this to be expected? No. Is it possible? Absolutely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Dubz41 said: The Boring Truth. It's been hard to watch, but if we knew our offensive and defensive stats after 13 games no one would think we'd be 10-3. It would be great if our offense played to the level we think they should be, but it could be worse- a lot worse. Lucky? I'll take it with a first year coach. The early success raised the expectation bar considerably, maybe we're not that good? Then MLF deserves even more credit. Our confidence level is non-existent, rightly so, but we are as likely to win out as lose out. My big IF: IF Arodg decides to win instead of protecting his passer rating......We are on a bye week 18. For me the fact that even tho we have sputtered at times the fact we are 10-3 and leading this division with a rookie HC is building a nice foundation for 2020 too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyThing Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, Pugger said: For me the fact that even tho we have sputtered at times the fact we are 10-3 and leading this division with a rookie HC is building a nice foundation for 2020 too. Right on Pugger. No reason that, barring unforeseen injuries, with an addition or 2 or 3 at DL & ILB and more experience playing together as a unit that the Packers' D can't finally be a top 10 unit in 2020. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyThing Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 hours ago, ThatJerkDave said: If they go on a run, it will be much like the Giants of 07 or 11. We have the pass rushers. If Fackrell goes off for a few games and/or the switch goes on for Gary, this is a lethal pass rush. Is this to be expected? No. Is it possible? Absolutely. Would be great if Pettine would feature these 4 in the rush more often. Sprinkle in a little Fackrell and maybe add Keke to the mix at some point. Collectively, Lancaster, Lowry, and Adams offer nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, TheOnlyThing said: Right on Pugger. No reason that, barring unforeseen injuries, with an addition or 2 or 3 at DL & ILB and more experience playing together as a unit that the Packers' D can't finally be a top 10 unit in 2020. You're going to have 35 million in cap space and 1 Top 50 draft pick that will be in the 20s. You will need: TE (Graham, Lewis, and Tonyan are Free Agents though Tonyan is an EFRA) RT (Bulaga,Veldheer, and Spriggs are Free Agents) 3-Tech (Lancaster isn't doing it) ILB (Martinez and Goodson are Free Agents) 5-Tech (Unless you're sticking with Lowry) Slot CB (Tramon, Sullivan, Redmond, and Brown are FAs though Sullivan and Brown are EFRAs) WR (unless you're riding with this same group) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Norm said: This dude is like the Fox News of making threads It's fair to be negative about things, but yeah, OP is too negative. For some people, unless you are winning by 20+ against bad teams/ #1 in XYZ categories, that means you aren't good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmar80 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: You're going to have 35 million in cap space and 1 Top 50 draft pick that will be in the 20s. You will need: TE (Graham, Lewis, and Tonyan are Free Agents though Tonyan is an EFRA) RT (Bulaga,Veldheer, and Spriggs are Free Agents) 3-Tech (Lancaster isn't doing it) ILB (Martinez and Goodson are Free Agents) 5-Tech (Unless you're sticking with Lowry) Slot CB (Tramon, Sullivan, Redmond, and Brown are FAs though Sullivan and Brown are EFRAs) WR (unless you're riding with this same group) Kicker, too. Do you think improvement next year is impossible, or just the usual = difficult? And if impossible, what would you do? You probably accounted cutting Graham to the 35M. There's more short term cap space to be made by extending Bak, Linsley, perhaps Davante and by cutting Taylor. It's still won't come to rolling in cap space, but some acquisitions can be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: You're going to have 35 million in cap space and 1 Top 50 draft pick that will be in the 20s. You will need: TE (Graham, Lewis, and Tonyan are Free Agents though Tonyan is an EFRA) RT (Bulaga,Veldheer, and Spriggs are Free Agents) 3-Tech (Lancaster isn't doing it) ILB (Martinez and Goodson are Free Agents) 5-Tech (Unless you're sticking with Lowry) Slot CB (Tramon, Sullivan, Redmond, and Brown are FAs though Sullivan and Brown are EFRAs) WR (unless you're riding with this same group) The issue here is the 100 million dollar QB needs to do more with less at TE and WR. They will likely focus on the Dline as it s the most important. They will resign Veldheer for RT and likely draft a guy in the late rounds. TE they will bank on Sternberger ILB they will never care about CB they will resign Sullivan and Brown and I’m sure they will try Jackson WR they will draft a guy likely in the 2nd and bank on Lazard, MVS and EQ. they are banking on DEVELOPMENT. So it’s not so dire, unless you don’t trust them to develop. If guys develop then they are fine. This will always be the case... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, salmar80 said: Kicker, too. Do you think improvement next year is impossible, or just the usual = difficult? And if impossible, what would you do? You probably accounted cutting Graham to the 35M. There's more short term cap space to be made by extending Bak, Linsley, perhaps Davante and by cutting Taylor. It's still won't come to rolling in cap space, but some acquisitions can be made. That includes cutting Taylor and Graham and the rollover. Improvement will be tough barring the current rookies killing it with that year 2 improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 17 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: You're going to have 35 million in cap space and 1 Top 50 draft pick that will be in the 20s. You will need: TE (Graham, Lewis, and Tonyan are Free Agents though Tonyan is an EFRA) RT (Bulaga,Veldheer, and Spriggs are Free Agents) 3-Tech (Lancaster isn't doing it) ILB (Martinez and Goodson are Free Agents) 5-Tech (Unless you're sticking with Lowry) Slot CB (Tramon, Sullivan, Redmond, and Brown are FAs though Sullivan and Brown are EFRAs) WR (unless you're riding with this same group) Don't need a TE. You and I both know that's a luxury position. Cut Graham, see if he will re-sign. If not, roll with Steam Engine, Tonyan, Lewis. RT - Yeah, but re-sign Bulaga. 3-Tech - Third round pick/Ricky Jean-Francois level free agent signing. ILB - 2nd round pick. 5-Tech - First round pick. Slot - Free agent veteran (Dennard/Apple/Verrett/Johnson/Jones/Melvin/Claiborne WR - Fourth round pick + free agent. Sanders/Cobb/Wright/Agholor/Brown Heading into this year we needed: EDGE EDGE SAFETY SAFETY IOL IOL We got all of them, and all of them are here for the next 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Green19 said: The issue here is the 100 million dollar QB needs to do more with less at TE and WR. They will likely focus on the Dline as it s the most important. They will resign Veldheer for RT and likely draft a guy in the late rounds. TE they will bank on Sternberger ILB they will never care about CB they will resign Sullivan and Brown and I’m sure they will try Jackson WR they will draft a guy likely in the 2nd and bank on Lazard, MVS and EQ. they are banking on DEVELOPMENT. So it’s not so dire, unless you don’t trust them to develop. If guys develop then they are fine. This will always be the case... Why would we count on Veldheer? Dude was done last year. Other teams get development too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Outpost31 said: Don't need a TE. You and I both know that's a luxury position. Cut Graham, see if he will re-sign. If not, roll with Steam Engine, Tonyan, Lewis. RT - Yeah, but re-sign Bulaga. 3-Tech - Third round pick/Ricky Jean-Francois level free agent signing. ILB - 2nd round pick. 5-Tech - First round pick. Slot - Free agent veteran (Dennard/Apple/Verrett/Johnson/Jones/Melvin/Claiborne WR - Fourth round pick + free agent. Sanders/Cobb/Wright/Agholor/Brown Heading into this year we needed: EDGE EDGE SAFETY SAFETY IOL IOL We got all of them, and all of them are here for the next 4 years. You're describing a worse team than this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Why would we count on Veldheer? Dude was done last year. Other teams get development too Because Veldheer is likely the cheap vet they want to go to camp next year and draft a young guy ala Jenkins and if he over takes the vet great... if not you at least have a guy that’s been there. Why bring him on this year if he is done... I get others develop too... but your point is with little cap and little high draft picks where is the improvement coming from... easy guys like sternberger, etc. Now if you don’t trust their development that’s fine but that’s how they are going to operate. The TE of the future is sternberger at this point. WR they are either going to draft a guy high (2 rounder) or they are going to tell 100 million man to deal and be better. Defense they aren’t dealing with expensive ILB so they will likely draft 3rd round or later. DLine will likely be keke and a high draft pick (1st). CB they will keep a few and shuffle. GB staying as a playoff team depends on development. They got their big price FA vets... now it’s on young guys to develop. Edited December 9, 2019 by Green19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: You're going to have 35 million in cap space and 1 Top 50 draft pick that will be in the 20s. You will need: TE (Graham, Lewis, and Tonyan are Free Agents though Tonyan is an EFRA) RT (Bulaga,Veldheer, and Spriggs are Free Agents) 3-Tech (Lancaster isn't doing it) ILB (Martinez and Goodson are Free Agents) 5-Tech (Unless you're sticking with Lowry) Slot CB (Tramon, Sullivan, Redmond, and Brown are FAs though Sullivan and Brown are EFRAs) WR (unless you're riding with this same group) Graham has a year left on his contract, though I don't see them keeping him. Cut him and Taylor and they will have about 40 million before the rookie salaries are deducted. Edited December 9, 2019 by Ragnar Danneskjold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said: Graham has a year left on his contract, though I don't see them keeping him. Cut him and Taylor and they will have about 40 million before the rookie salaries are deducted. The 35 included both Graham and Taylor being cut and the rookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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