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REASONS FOR OPTIMISM-DEFENSE


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16 hours ago, pacman5252 said:

The D is good enough to win a super bowl if our O was 2017 good. Not sure we have the juice but between Rodgers ultra conservatism we are designed to win the turn over battle which means we have a 70% chance in most games.

If they go on a run, it will be much like the Giants of 07 or 11.  We have the pass rushers.  If Fackrell goes off for a few games and/or the switch goes on for Gary, this is a lethal pass rush.  Is this to be expected? No.  Is it possible? Absolutely.  

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3 hours ago, Dubz41 said:

The Boring Truth.  It's been hard to watch, but if we knew our offensive and defensive stats after 13 games no one would think we'd be 10-3.  It would be great if our offense played to the level we think they should be, but it could be worse- a lot worse.

Lucky? I'll take it with a first year coach.  The early success raised the expectation bar considerably, maybe we're not that good? Then MLF deserves even more credit.  Our confidence level is non-existent, rightly so, but we are as likely to win out as lose out.  My big IF: IF Arodg decides to win instead of protecting his passer rating......We are on a bye week 18.

For me the fact that even tho we have sputtered at times the fact we are 10-3 and leading this division with a rookie HC is building a nice foundation for 2020 too.   

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15 minutes ago, Pugger said:

For me the fact that even tho we have sputtered at times the fact we are 10-3 and leading this division with a rookie HC is building a nice foundation for 2020 too.   

Right on Pugger.

No reason that, barring unforeseen injuries, with an addition or 2 or 3 at DL & ILB and more experience playing together as a unit that the Packers' D can't finally be a top 10 unit in 2020.

 

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2 hours ago, ThatJerkDave said:

If they go on a run, it will be much like the Giants of 07 or 11.  We have the pass rushers.  If Fackrell goes off for a few games and/or the switch goes on for Gary, this is a lethal pass rush.  Is this to be expected? No.  Is it possible? Absolutely.  

 

Would be great if Pettine would feature these 4 in the rush more often.

Sprinkle in a little Fackrell and maybe add Keke to the mix at some point.

Collectively, Lancaster, Lowry, and Adams offer nothing.

 

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3 minutes ago, TheOnlyThing said:

Right on Pugger.

No reason that, barring unforeseen injuries, with an addition or 2 or 3 at DL & ILB and more experience playing together as a unit that the Packers' D can't finally be a top 10 unit in 2020.

 

You're going to have 35 million in cap space and 1 Top 50 draft pick that will be in the 20s.

You will need:

TE (Graham, Lewis, and Tonyan are Free Agents though Tonyan is an EFRA)

RT (Bulaga,Veldheer, and Spriggs are Free Agents)

3-Tech (Lancaster isn't doing it)

ILB (Martinez and Goodson are Free Agents)

5-Tech (Unless you're sticking with Lowry)

Slot CB (Tramon, Sullivan, Redmond, and Brown are FAs though Sullivan and Brown are EFRAs)

WR (unless you're riding with this same group)

 

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1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

You're going to have 35 million in cap space and 1 Top 50 draft pick that will be in the 20s.

You will need:

TE (Graham, Lewis, and Tonyan are Free Agents though Tonyan is an EFRA)

RT (Bulaga,Veldheer, and Spriggs are Free Agents)

3-Tech (Lancaster isn't doing it)

ILB (Martinez and Goodson are Free Agents)

5-Tech (Unless you're sticking with Lowry)

Slot CB (Tramon, Sullivan, Redmond, and Brown are FAs though Sullivan and Brown are EFRAs)

WR (unless you're riding with this same group)

 

Kicker, too.

Do you think improvement next year is impossible, or just the usual = difficult? And if impossible, what would you do?

You probably accounted cutting Graham to the 35M. There's more short term cap space to be made by extending Bak, Linsley, perhaps Davante and by cutting Taylor. It's still won't come to rolling in cap space, but some acquisitions can be made. 

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1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

You're going to have 35 million in cap space and 1 Top 50 draft pick that will be in the 20s.

You will need:

TE (Graham, Lewis, and Tonyan are Free Agents though Tonyan is an EFRA)

RT (Bulaga,Veldheer, and Spriggs are Free Agents)

3-Tech (Lancaster isn't doing it)

ILB (Martinez and Goodson are Free Agents)

5-Tech (Unless you're sticking with Lowry)

Slot CB (Tramon, Sullivan, Redmond, and Brown are FAs though Sullivan and Brown are EFRAs)

WR (unless you're riding with this same group)

 

The issue here is the 100 million dollar QB needs to do more with less at TE and WR. They will likely focus on the Dline as it s the most important.

They will resign Veldheer for RT and likely draft a guy in the late rounds.

TE they will bank on Sternberger

ILB they will never care about

CB they will resign Sullivan and Brown and I’m sure they will try Jackson

WR they will draft a guy likely in the 2nd and bank on Lazard, MVS and EQ.

they are banking on DEVELOPMENT. So it’s not so dire, unless you don’t trust them to develop. If guys develop then they are fine.

This will always be the case...

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7 minutes ago, salmar80 said:

Kicker, too.

Do you think improvement next year is impossible, or just the usual = difficult? And if impossible, what would you do?

You probably accounted cutting Graham to the 35M. There's more short term cap space to be made by extending Bak, Linsley, perhaps Davante and by cutting Taylor. It's still won't come to rolling in cap space, but some acquisitions can be made. 

That includes cutting Taylor and Graham and the rollover.

Improvement will be tough barring the current rookies killing it with that year 2 improvement.

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17 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

You're going to have 35 million in cap space and 1 Top 50 draft pick that will be in the 20s.

You will need:

TE (Graham, Lewis, and Tonyan are Free Agents though Tonyan is an EFRA)

RT (Bulaga,Veldheer, and Spriggs are Free Agents)

3-Tech (Lancaster isn't doing it)

ILB (Martinez and Goodson are Free Agents)

5-Tech (Unless you're sticking with Lowry)

Slot CB (Tramon, Sullivan, Redmond, and Brown are FAs though Sullivan and Brown are EFRAs)

WR (unless you're riding with this same group)

Don't need a TE.  You and I both know that's a luxury position.  Cut Graham, see if he will re-sign.  If not, roll with Steam Engine, Tonyan, Lewis.
RT - Yeah, but re-sign Bulaga. 
3-Tech - Third round pick/Ricky Jean-Francois level free agent signing.
ILB - 2nd round pick.
5-Tech - First round pick. 
Slot - Free agent veteran (Dennard/Apple/Verrett/Johnson/Jones/Melvin/Claiborne
WR - Fourth round pick + free agent.  Sanders/Cobb/Wright/Agholor/Brown

Heading into this year we needed:

EDGE
EDGE
SAFETY
SAFETY
IOL
IOL

We got all of them, and all of them are here for the next 4 years. 

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2 minutes ago, Green19 said:

The issue here is the 100 million dollar QB needs to do more with less at TE and WR. They will likely focus on the Dline as it s the most important.

They will resign Veldheer for RT and likely draft a guy in the late rounds.

TE they will bank on Sternberger

ILB they will never care about

CB they will resign Sullivan and Brown and I’m sure they will try Jackson

WR they will draft a guy likely in the 2nd and bank on Lazard, MVS and EQ.

they are banking on DEVELOPMENT. So it’s not so dire, unless you don’t trust them to develop. If guys develop then they are fine.

This will always be the case...

Why would we count on Veldheer? Dude was done last year.

Other teams get development too

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1 minute ago, Outpost31 said:

Don't need a TE.  You and I both know that's a luxury position.  Cut Graham, see if he will re-sign.  If not, roll with Steam Engine, Tonyan, Lewis.
RT - Yeah, but re-sign Bulaga. 
3-Tech - Third round pick/Ricky Jean-Francois level free agent signing.
ILB - 2nd round pick.
5-Tech - First round pick. 
Slot - Free agent veteran (Dennard/Apple/Verrett/Johnson/Jones/Melvin/Claiborne
WR - Fourth round pick + free agent.  Sanders/Cobb/Wright/Agholor/Brown

Heading into this year we needed:

EDGE
EDGE
SAFETY
SAFETY
IOL
IOL

We got all of them, and all of them are here for the next 4 years. 

You're describing a worse team than this year.

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51 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Why would we count on Veldheer? Dude was done last year.

Other teams get development too

Because Veldheer is likely the cheap vet they want to go to camp next year and draft a young guy ala Jenkins and if he over takes the vet great... if not you at least have a guy that’s been there. Why bring him on this year if he is done...

I get others develop too... but your point is with little cap and little high draft picks where is the improvement coming from... easy guys like sternberger, etc.

Now if you don’t trust their development that’s fine but that’s how they are going to operate. The TE of the future is sternberger at this point. WR they are either going to draft a guy high (2 rounder) or they are going to tell 100 million man to deal and be better.

Defense they aren’t dealing with expensive ILB so they will likely draft 3rd round or later. DLine will likely be keke and a high draft pick (1st). CB they will keep a few and shuffle.

GB staying as a playoff team depends on development. They got their big price FA vets... now it’s on young guys to develop.

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2 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

You're going to have 35 million in cap space and 1 Top 50 draft pick that will be in the 20s.

You will need:

TE (Graham, Lewis, and Tonyan are Free Agents though Tonyan is an EFRA)

RT (Bulaga,Veldheer, and Spriggs are Free Agents)

3-Tech (Lancaster isn't doing it)

ILB (Martinez and Goodson are Free Agents)

5-Tech (Unless you're sticking with Lowry)

Slot CB (Tramon, Sullivan, Redmond, and Brown are FAs though Sullivan and Brown are EFRAs)

WR (unless you're riding with this same group)

 

Graham has a year left on his contract, though I don't see them keeping him.

Cut him and Taylor and they will have about 40 million before the rookie salaries are deducted.

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