DoleINGout Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, Chiefer said: it’s only 8 minutes because they got caught😂 were Bengals staffers supposed to let him film an entire game just so they can have more evidence? yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, DoleINGout said: 23 minutes ago, Chiefer said: it’s only 8 minutes because they got caught😂 were Bengals staffers supposed to let him film an entire game just so they can have more evidence? yes. Honestly yes, the 1-12 Bengals could have just taken one for the team 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXsteeler Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 The only solution to the Patriots continued cheating scandals is to ban the Patriots from participating as the Patriots for the next 4 years just like they did with Russia in the Olympics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ChazStandard said: 1 hour ago, JBURGE said: If they got permission from the Browns to film and "forgot" to ask the Bengals, why wouldn't they be filming the Browns sideline? I don't understand They were in the Browns stadium. “Can our camera crew shoot some documentary footage in your pressbox?” ”Sure.” ”Thanks.” It’s not complicated. The footage is 8minutes of a game that lasts three hours. How much of that is signals? Maybe a couple of minutes at most. This is a nothing burger. A reduced fat nothing-burger with a side fried bupkis and zilchshake. "Hello Mr. Business owner, do you mind if we come on your premises and film you and your employees at work?" "Yes, that sounds fine, thank you for asking!" "Oh, we also noticed you have a really important business meeting on site that day, do you mind if we film those people too without asking them?" Edited December 10, 2019 by JBURGE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leoric Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 5 hours ago, ET80 said: Devil's Advocate here - wouldn't this be the way to do it if you were trying to do it again? You know, independent contractors and plausable deniability? Conspiracy theory... sure. But worth noting. If you got caught doing something against the rules and if you decided to do it again, you'd do it via a proxy. Right? We're not really in disagreement. My point was to Jakuvious saying they were admitting to something with their statement. I read the statement as essentially, "We hired these guys but they don't have anything to do with football operations. They are completely independent of anything we've ever been punished for." It was a PR statement and nothing more. They admitted to nothing and alluded to the layers of insulation immediately. Independent contractors, not football operations, no one in football operations has control of this project, yada yada yada. This really go alongs the lines of previous Patriot statements like, "That wasn't my interpretation of the rules." Where we are currently at: The Patriots organization will seek to exploit any advantage they can get. They have a history of questionable conduct with video cameras. No one can ever say for sure what because the NFL in it's usual pattern destroyed the evidence, handed out what it deemed fair punishment and never was transparent with the fans. Patriots lost a draft choice, some cash... whatever. If it helped them win a Championship I'd say it was well worth the cost. Were they up to the same shenanigans? I don't know. I don't even know what they pulled last time thanks to the NFL and it's non transparency. I expect this time, the evidence will once again be destroyed, the Patriots may or may not be punished with some penalty that either is too severe or no where near severe enough. Regardless we'll never know. The NFL and their zero tolerance unless its caught on video tape and released to the public before we can destroy the evidence policy is a joke against sportsmanship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 TBH if it’s not the Bengals this is actually an even bigger deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazStandard Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 18 minutes ago, JBURGE said: "Hello Mr. Business owner, do you mind if we come on your premises and film you and your employees at work?" "Yes, that sounds fine, thank you for asking!" "Oh, we also noticed you have a really important business meeting on site that day, do you mind if we film those people too without asking them?" You asked a dumb question, I answered it. The film crew needs the Browns permission to be in their stadium, so they asked. They don’t need the Bengals permission to be there, so no one thought to ask. Is that truly beyond your comprehension? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, MWil23 said: TBH if it’s not the Bengals this is actually an even bigger deal. As I’ve seen a few others say online, if this was indeed Spygate 2.0 (still need a lot of details and patience) there’s almost zero chance it started with the 1-12 Bengals and probably has been going on all season, if not multiple seasons. With that said, we still need an investigation to see if it was perhaps nothing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, BayRaider said: As I’ve seen a few others say online, if this was indeed Spygate 2.0 (still need a lot of details and patience) there’s almost zero chance it started with the 1-12 Bengals and probably has been going on all season, if not multiple seasons. With that said, we still need an investigation to see if it was perhaps nothing. That’s essentially what I’m saying as well as piggy backing off of @ET80’s saying that if they’d ever do this again it would be through independent avenues so they’d have separation and plausible deniability as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 All of a sudden, McDermont doesn’t look paranoid at all back in Week 3-4 for kicking two Pat reps off the field and looked pretty dang angry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KManX89 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) Gabe Morency and Co. pretty much tore the Pats* a new arsehole in this great vid: "The Pats are like a married sex addict: he can't keep it in his pants and never will." LOL! But this'll probably get swept under the rug by "Not So" Goodell like it always does. Edited December 10, 2019 by KManX89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INbengalfan Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, ChazStandard said: They were in the Browns stadium. “Can our camera crew shoot some documentary footage in your pressbox?” ”Sure.” ”Thanks.” It’s not complicated. The footage is 8minutes of a game that lasts three hours. How much of that is signals? Maybe a couple of minutes at most. This is a nothing burger. A reduced fat nothing-burger with a side fried bupkis and zilchshake. That's obtuse. The documentary team had wrapped up two hours prior. The "crowd shots" consisted of nothing but the coaches signals and player groupings. So what if the Browns gave them permission. How about the Bengals give permission to the ravens to tape from their press box and bug their locker room? Systematic misbehavior doesn't cease to be a misbehavior simply because the victim currently has a lousy record. And repeat offenders don't get the leeway or benefit of the doubt when caught doing the same thing they were busted for. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockice_8 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I mean even if it was a misunderstanding without the intent I feel like based on history the league needs to punish them again because of their history. Unfortunately for the Pats because of your history you don't get the benefit of the doubt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Part of their punishment should be to make them change their name to the New England Cheetahs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 The Pats don’t deserve the benefit of doubt, being that they’ve been caught and disciplined for the same type of offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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