Chiefer Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 55 minutes ago, Uncle Buck said: "Spygate 2.0?" So are we supposed to believe that Bill Belichick was worried enough about the 1-11 Bengals that he made the decision to send a guy there to film them in hopes of getting inside information on their playcalling? Come on, man. Desperate times call for desperate measures at least they treat all teams equally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, lolsurebro said: I am seeing a trend. Its obvious that these hand signals are critical to the Patriots success. The only trend here is that the Patriots have been caught numerous times breaking NFL rules in regards to illegally filming things they shouldn't be. Whether that has anything to do with their success or not is completely irrelevant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, lolsurebro said: I am seeing a trend. Its obvious that these hand signals are critical to the Patriots success. Correct. They need at least 8 minutes of hand signals. Possibly as many as 11 minutes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, lolsurebro said: -Game, practice, whatever. Potato, potahto. Eh, that's a VERY big difference and not insignificant. 4 minutes ago, lolsurebro said: -As mentioned, I now realize the impact that recognizing hand signals has on a teams success. My apologies. Hand signals, personnel calls, the list goes on. 4 minutes ago, lolsurebro said: -Their terrifying 1-11 opponent was in the background, and now we have 8 minutes of hand signals. A few things here: 1. As many have stated earlier, their upcoming opponent should be irrelevant, whether they are 1-11 or 11-1. 2. Many speculate that this isn't the first time this has happened and/or they were setting something up in the future. 3. It would have been A LOT LONGER THAN 8 minutes if they weren't caught red handed. 4 minutes ago, lolsurebro said: -Zoinks. If only we had gotten away with it! Perhaps next time we won't notify another NFL team that we are there doing it. They notified one team, not the other, and then filmed the other that they didn't get consent from. That's bad. 4 minutes ago, lolsurebro said: -What they did 2000-07 was illegal because of where it was filmed from, not the filming itself. I'm well aware. They broke the rules and blatantly cheated. It's too bad Goodell destroyed all of the evidence. As I said, that's worse than the crime in all likelihood. 4 minutes ago, lolsurebro said: -That's the beauty of having an opinion. Nobody has to agree with it. Um, ok? I'm fine with that. 4 minutes ago, lolsurebro said: -You're right. Im a liar, just like my awful hand-signal-thieving team and Im pushing a fake narrative to cover up my real intentions! Where did I call you a liar? This is a pretty big overreaction man. 4 minutes ago, lolsurebro said: -Thanks for the input -Because bias and hunches are grounded in fact. I'm not stating that bias/hunches ARE grounded, but I am saying that this incident warrants a major investigation because of past things done of the same flavor by this organization, and they've 100% lost the benefit of the doubt here in any gray area. They've brought this fallout on themselves. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piquel Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 So does this mean that KC was a trap game because NE was looking past us and concentrating on the Bengals????? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavensfanRD Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 8 hours ago, ChazStandard said: Do people seriously think this? I can’t get my head around it. Do you just believe whatever you want to believe? I believe the NFL is the WWE and that all of this is just a show at the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 29 minutes ago, MWil23 said: I'm not stating that bias/hunches ARE grounded, but I am saying that this incident warrants a major investigation because of past things done of the same flavor by this organization, and they've 100% lost the benefit of the doubt here in any gray area. They've brought this fallout on themselves. I'm just gonna quote this again 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, MookieMonstah said: Agreed, but again...They aren't employees of the Patriots. Its some independent production company. Also, again, that gives us nothing. What would we get? A video of a coach talking into a head set and covering his mouth? Good stuff. Should come in handy. I don’t know how you are making this such a non-issue. They filmed 8 minutes of the Bengals sideline. And only 8 minutes because the Bengals seized the camera. This was two hours after after the documentary had stopped filming. All coaches still use hand signals. Saints said they knew Moores hand signals in the Saint vs Cowboy game earlier this year. And how does an independent film crew make them innocent? They could still be in direct connection with the Patriots and paid. Edited December 11, 2019 by BayRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Uncle Buck said: "Spygate 2.0?" So are we supposed to believe that Bill Belichick was worried enough about the 1-11 Bengals that he made the decision to send a guy there to film them in hopes of getting inside information on their playcalling? Come on, man. You are one of my favorite posters, please do not be this naive and think outside the box here. If this is Spygate 2.0 there is absolutely zero chance it started with the Bengals and has been going on all season and possibly multiple seasons. We will have to wait for an investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, BayRaider said: You are one of my favorite posters, please do not be this naive and think outside the box here. If this is Spygate 2.0 there is absolutely zero chance it started with the Bengals and has been going on all season and possibly multiple seasons. We will have to wait for an investigation. I guess the thought that the possibility it could actually be true is hard to get my mind around at this point. At the same time, you're probably right that we should all wait for an investigation before forming any kind of opinion, either positive or negative. That's fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7DnBrnc53 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 9 hours ago, ChazStandard said: ....he was? That’s a new one. What part of Krafts masterplan was being docked 2 1st round picks for Spygate and Deflategate? That's not nearly as bad as what the Pats should have gotten. And, Goodell destroyed the tapes and convinced the owners to believe that the Pats didn't gain an advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie_eagle Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Uncle Buck said: "Spygate 2.0?" So are we supposed to believe that Bill Belichick was worried enough about the 1-11 Bengals that he made the decision to send a guy there to film them in hopes of getting inside information on their playcalling? Come on, man. Maybe they done it every game but this is 1st time caught? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazStandard Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: The only trend here is that the Patriots have been caught numerous times breaking NFL rules in regards to illegally filming things from the wrong place. Whether that has anything to do with their success or not is completely irrelevant. Fixed. Here's a source, to prevent your future confusion: Quote Spygate was an incident during the National Football League (NFL)'s 2007 season, when the New England Patriots were disciplined by the league for videotaping New York Jets' defensive coaches' signals from an unauthorized location during a September 9, 2007 game.[1][2] Videotaping opposing coaches is not illegal in the NFL de jure, but there are designated areas allowed by the league to do such taping. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 hours ago, BayRaider said: I don’t know how you are making this such a non-issue. They filmed 8 minutes of the Bengals sideline. And only 8 minutes because the Bengals seized the camera. This was two hours after after the documentary had stopped filming. All coaches still use hand signals. Saints said they knew Moores hand signals in the Saint vs Cowboy game earlier this year. And how does an independent film crew make them innocent? They could still be in direct connection with the Patriots and paid. Even if this is true, filming plays and sidelines isn’t illegal as long as it’s from the proper area. Saints must’ve been cheating to and openly admitted it I guess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: Even if this is true, filming plays and sidelines isn’t illegal as long as it’s from the proper area. Saints must’ve been cheating to and openly admitted it I guess! Saints claimed they looked at college film of Moore playing QB where the hand signals he used as a QB matched his coaching signals. Because Moore is an idiot and the entire Cowboy coaching staff needs to be wiped clean. And the Pats recorded was not legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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