3rivers Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 does anyone here NOT think the nfl needs a new commissioner ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 10 hours ago, BayRaider said: If it ended right now, and they concluded that 8 minutes is the only thing, I'd slap a huge 500K fine and maybe a 4th Round Pick. However, this absolutely demands a complete and very lengthy investigation (which I think will happen). If it is discovered they have been doing this all season, or even multiple seasons, then it should be two 1sts, max fine for Pats, Kraft, Bellichick, and Bellichick suspended two full seasons. I think it'll end soon, and I think that punishment is more than what they will actually get. I doubt it is anything more than a fine - and that's mostly because they admitted they broke the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJerseypaint Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 hours ago, childofpudding said: No, when other teams get caught it's a one-day story and fans dont care. Agree on embracing being a villian, though. Nothing can take away the happiness I felt when they won each of their 6, particularly (for me) 2001 and 2014 When do other teams get caught? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazStandard Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, NJerseypaint said: When do other teams get caught? The fact you can't think of any other "cheating scandals" in football pretty much proves his point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KManX89 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 hours ago, PatriotsWin! said: So this was nothing, as most reasonable people assumed when the story broke. Those that keep trying to make something out of nothing are obviously not fond of the Pats, not surprised. The jealousy in this thread is ugly. If by "most reasonable people", you mean Pats fans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesehawk Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 26 minutes ago, KManX89 said: If by "most reasonable people", you mean Pats fans. And that my friends is what we like to call a formula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramxel Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 14 hours ago, Broncofan said: Well the issue is the Pats already admitted they violated the rule. So proof isn’t in doubt here. If it was a question by all means let the investigation play itself out. But their admission kind of moves it to the next stage. Which is why their past matters so much. Would actually have to read the rule to see if their unintentional breaking of it actually matters in determining punishment. It really depends on what is written and if/what exceptions are made to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJerseypaint Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 hours ago, ChazStandard said: The fact you can't think of any other "cheating scandals" in football pretty much proves his point. How does the absence of something prove another? Payton got suspended for Bounty Gate, Tomlin fined for over stepping the sideline, that one Jets coach who tripped the player was fired, and all of these were big news when they broke --- but tell me who's out here getting caught taping signals? Pats have been caught twice. Stop acting like 31 other teams are colluding against the Pats. Any team that cheats will get caught because all 32 teams have a vested interested in outing any and all cheaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 12 hours ago, BroncoBruin said: Kiss the rings. Nah I’m good they covered in Vaseline😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_is_the_best Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 It’s funny that some people say 'there’s nothing to see here' yet accuse others of being the biased ones. The facts are clear: The Patriots asked the Browns for permission to record from the press box for a video series. The Bengals were not informed. The 'Patriots' Film Crew was recording the Bengals' sideline for the 'entire first quarter.' Bengals' security confronted the Film Crew, who turned the footage over. The Patriots acknowledged that "the production crew [...] inappropriately filmed the field from the press box." The production team included a full-time Patriots employee (per Jeff Howe). The Patriots had stated that the team "included independent contractors who shot the video." Here are a few quotes from Belichick: Quote "evidently this is our production people on the TV show that were there. I have absolutely nothing to do — we have absolutely nothing to do with anything that they produce, direct, shoot or anything." Quote "So this is something that we 100 percent have zero involvement with." Quote "we have absolutely nothing to do with the production people and what they do for the TV show and everything else, other than I tape a TV show with them." The article notes: Quote Belichick said the advance scout was “absolutely not” recording Cincinnati’s sideline, which is illegal under NFL rules. Yet the Patriots' statement read: Quote We understand and acknowledge that our video crew, which included independent contractors who shot the video, unknowingly violated a league policy by filming the field and sideline from the press box. Note: I'm not accusing the Patriots of lying here. It is plausible that the advance scout had nothing to do with the recording. But it's not a great look. One last quote: Quote “A scout can’t film the opponents as an advance scout, and our video people aren’t even allowed to point a camera at our opponents in pregame warmup or their side of the field or anything else to test out their equipment. They 100 percent know — all of our scouts, all of our video people and everything — they absolutely know what that is." Take all of this in and try to say honestly "there's nothing here" or "nothing happened." I'm not quite ready to put on a tin-foil hat just yet, but there was absolutely wrongdoing. In a vacuum, it's very possible Belichick didn't know until afterward, but this ain't their first rodeo. It's also possible he didn't want to know, so he wouldn't be blamed for anything. Suffice it to say there will be a punishment (perhaps severe, perhaps not), but without something more, without a "smoking gun," as they say, any talk of voiding championships or playoff disqualification is premature. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 hours ago, KManX89 said: If by "most reasonable people", you mean Pats fans. If the above and this part is true - not suspicious at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 5 hours ago, 3rivers said: does anyone here NOT think the nfl needs a new commissioner ? Commissioner Gordon imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofpudding Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, NJerseypaint said: When do other teams get caught? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3151217 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/27/broncos-mcdaniels-apologize-for-staffer-taping-49ers/ https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/11/photo-of-jets-employee-with-sideline-camera-creates-stir/ https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/30/2009-jets-patriotsincident-becomes-issue-in-brady-case/ https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/11/giants-measured-steelers-footballs-at-11-4-11-8-psi/ https://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-nfl-investigating-giants-potentially-illegal-walkie-talkie-use-vs-cowboys-002020550.html https://www.espn.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/11218/nfl-aware-of-game-ball-incident-during-panthers-vikings This is when you tell me how those things are all different. Edited December 12, 2019 by childofpudding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 If we've been filming teams all year and still put out that offense then everyone needs to be fired now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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