Norm Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Haha21 said: No I'm not worried about him. The main qualm I have with MM is when he has a lead late I feel like he gets too conservative with his play calling. I understand you want to run out the clock by running the ball, but opposing defenses are going to gear up to stop the run, it's very predictable. I would like see the play calling mixed up a bit in the closing minutes in an effort to take more time off the clock. I've heard the exact opposite too at times. That he wants to throw too much late. Could be on Aaron at the line too though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollino14 Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, NormSizedMidget said: What I'm trying to do is give fans of one team perspective on the other 31. I never said he can't improve or is perfect. Whole point of the thread boss. I just pointed out all of the things that worry me about MM.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, pollino14 said: Whole point of the thread boss. I just pointed out all of the things that worry me about MM.. I understand. I'm saying the truth is that barring maybe BB nothing will change that. You'll always have one concern or the other. Just the nature of coaching. That's the point of my posts. We're on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollino14 Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 13 minutes ago, NormSizedMidget said: I've heard the exact opposite too at times. That he wants to throw too much late. Could be on Aaron at the line too though? I agree here. It's my feeling that we throw way too much late, when we prob shouldn't. Defensively, I think we're more passive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haha21 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 43 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: An understandable position, I do wonder though if you went back and looked what the failure rate of this stuff is. Just playing scenarios, you're up 12 with 4 minutes to go. Are you better off trying to score and risk giving the other team the ball back in a now one score game? or better off running three times, forcing the other team to use all it's timeouts and trying to force them to run 8 short/medium gains in a row to get it to one score? I feel like a lot of times we win a close game and breathe deeply thinking, "oh thank God we recovered that onside kick, that was really close" when McCarthy knows that like 97% of onside kicks go to the receiving team and that's a good gamble to take? In that scenario, I would run out the clock by running the ball. Being up by 12 and with that much time , I would feel much more comfortable with the defense ending the game. This last weekend though we were up by eight. In that situation, where you're up by one score, I feel much more comfortable putting the ball in Rodgers hands to end the game than strictly run the clock out. He takes care of the ball so well and hardly turns it over, I feel like extending the possession further with him ensures the other team doesn't get the ball back with much or any time left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 MM reached the 100-win plateau faster than any active NFL head coach, needing just 155 games. Guided the Packers to top-10 finishes in scoring in eight straight seasons including 2013 when AR missed half the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 According to STATS, Green Bay is 20-13 when playing indoors during the regular season since 2006. The Packers’ .606 winning percentage is tied for No. 2 in the NFC . Arizona is 1st but they play in a home dome; for the Packers, indoors= road game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: According to STATS, Green Bay is 20-13 when playing indoors during the regular season since 2006. The Packers’ .606 winning percentage is tied for No. 2 in the NFC . Arizona is 1st but they play in a home dome; for the Packers, indoors= road game destroyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SassyFascistAlphaGuy Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I love the guy, personally. Feel he has the right mindset for this team and all the guys that play for him seem to love him. Outside of Seattle NFC Title (which tbh was a complete team meltdown), I always thought he has called damn good games in the playoffs. Put it this way, in the NFC there's no current coach I'd rather have here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaRisMa Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I very much worry about McCarthy's time management. This last week for example. We're up 14-6. I get upset at the red part. These are the last two drives of the game on offense. 1st and 10 at GB 25 (13:38 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to R.Cobb to GB 30 for 5 yards (S.Griffin). 2nd and 5 at GB 30 (12:54 - 4th) (Shotgun) T.Montgomery up the middle to GB 36 for 6 yards (N.Jones, D.Bass). 1st and 10 at GB 36 (12:10 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to T.Montgomery to SEA 44 for 20 yards (S.Griffin). 1st and 10 at SEA 44 (11:22 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short middle to R.Cobb to SEA 36 for 8 yards (J.Coleman). 2nd and 2 at SEA 36 (10:40 - 4th) T.Montgomery right tackle to SEA 33 for 3 yards (M.Bennett). 1st and 10 at SEA 33 (9:56 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to M.Bennett [C.Avril]. 2nd and 10 at SEA 33 (9:49 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Williams left tackle to SEA 27 for 6 yards (E.Thomas). 3rd and 4 at SEA 27 (9:05 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short middle to J.Nelson to SEA 22 for 5 yards (S.Griffin). 1st and 10 at SEA 22 Were now at 8:21 to play. We've averaged 5 yards per carry this drive. Up 14-6 at their 22 yard line. Well within Crosby's range. Defense is KILLING IT. (8:21 - 4th) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to R.Cobb (J.Coleman). 2nd and 10 at SEA 22 (8:16 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep left to J.Nelson (S.Griffin). (8:11 - 4th) Timeout #1 by GB at 08:11. 3rd and 10 at SEA 22 (8:11 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to D.Adams [S.Richardson]. 4th and 10 at SEA 22 (8:01 - 4th) Mason Crosby 40 Yd Field Goal SEA6 GB17 Seattle kicks a FG in 1:44 SEA9GB17 (6:17 - 4th) B.Walsh kicks 65 yards from SEA 35 to end zone, Touchback. 1st and 10 at GB 25 (6:17 - 4th) T.Montgomery left end pushed ob at GB 27 for 2 yards (S.Richardson). (5:28 - 4th) Timeout #2 by GB at 05:28. 2nd and 8 at GB 27 (5:28 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to T.Montgomery to GB 39 for 12 yards (R.Sherman) [S.Richardson]. Penalty on GB-M.Bennett, Offensive Pass Interference, offsetting, enforced at GB 27 - No Play. Penalty on SEA-R.Sherman, Defensive Holding, offsetting. 2nd and 8 at GB 27 (4:59 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to R.Cobb pushed ob at GB 37 for 10 yards (J.Coleman). 1st and 10 at GB 37 (4:53 - 4th) T.Montgomery right tackle to GB 40 for 3 yards (K.Wright). 2nd and 7 at GB 40 (4:07 - 4th) A.Rodgers pass short left to J.Nelson to GB 49 for 9 yards (S.Griffin). 1st and 10 at GB 49 (3:24 - 4th) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to R.Rodgers. PENALTY on SEA-M.Bennett, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at GB 49 - No Play. 1st and 5 at SEA 46 (3:19 - 4th) T.Montgomery left tackle to SEA 46 for no gain (S.Richardson). (3:15 - 4th) Timeout #1 by SEA at 03:15. 2nd and 5 at SEA 46 (3:15 - 4th) (Shotgun) T.Montgomery left guard to SEA 45 for 1 yard (B.Wagner, E.Thomas). (3:09 - 4th) Timeout #2 by SEA at 03:09. 3rd and 4 at SEA 45 (3:09 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers scrambles up the middle to SEA 39 for 6 yards (K.Wright). PENALTY on GB-M.Bennett, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced between downs. 1st and 10 at GB 46 (2:59 - 4th) A.Rodgers pass deep left intended for J.Nelson INTERCEPTED by E.Thomas at SEA 0. Touchback. PENALTY on SEA-M.Bennett, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at GB 46 - No Play. Penalty on SEA-S.Griffin, Defensive Holding, declined. 1st and 5 at SEA 49 (2:51 - 4th) T.Montgomery right guard to 50 for -1 yards (J.Reed). (2:51 - 4th) Timeout #3 by SEA at 02:45. 2nd and 6 at 50 (2:45 - 4th) A.Rodgers pass short right to M.Bennett to SEA 24 for 26 yards (B.Wagner, E.Thomas). (2:00 - 4th) Two-Minute Warning 1st and 10 at SEA 24 (2:00 - 4th) A.Rodgers kneels to SEA 25 for -1 yards. 2nd and 11 at SEA 25 (1:18 - 4th) A.Rodgers kneels to SEA 26 for -1 yards. 3rd and 12 at SEA 26 (0:39 - 4th) A.Rodgers kneels to SEA 27 for -1 yards. /game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Just now, ChaRisMa said: I very much worry about McCarthy's time management. This last week for example. We're up 14-6. I get upset at the red part. These are the last two drives of the game on offense. 1st and 10 at GB 25 (13:38 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to R.Cobb to GB 30 for 5 yards (S.Griffin). 2nd and 5 at GB 30 (12:54 - 4th) (Shotgun) T.Montgomery up the middle to GB 36 for 6 yards (N.Jones, D.Bass). 1st and 10 at GB 36 (12:10 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to T.Montgomery to SEA 44 for 20 yards (S.Griffin). 1st and 10 at SEA 44 (11:22 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short middle to R.Cobb to SEA 36 for 8 yards (J.Coleman). 2nd and 2 at SEA 36 (10:40 - 4th) T.Montgomery right tackle to SEA 33 for 3 yards (M.Bennett). 1st and 10 at SEA 33 (9:56 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to M.Bennett [C.Avril]. 2nd and 10 at SEA 33 (9:49 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Williams left tackle to SEA 27 for 6 yards (E.Thomas). 3rd and 4 at SEA 27 (9:05 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short middle to J.Nelson to SEA 22 for 5 yards (S.Griffin). 1st and 10 at SEA 22 Were now at 8:21 to play. We've averaged 5 yards per carry this drive. Up 14-6 at their 22 yard line. Well within Crosby's range. Defense is KILLING IT. (8:21 - 4th) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to R.Cobb (J.Coleman). 2nd and 10 at SEA 22 (8:16 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep left to J.Nelson (S.Griffin). (8:11 - 4th) Timeout #1 by GB at 08:11. 3rd and 10 at SEA 22 (8:11 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to D.Adams [S.Richardson]. 4th and 10 at SEA 22 (8:01 - 4th) Mason Crosby 40 Yd Field Goal SEA6 GB17 Seattle kicks a FG in 1:44 SEA9GB17 (6:17 - 4th) B.Walsh kicks 65 yards from SEA 35 to end zone, Touchback. 1st and 10 at GB 25 (6:17 - 4th) T.Montgomery left end pushed ob at GB 27 for 2 yards (S.Richardson). (5:28 - 4th) Timeout #2 by GB at 05:28. 2nd and 8 at GB 27 (5:28 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to T.Montgomery to GB 39 for 12 yards (R.Sherman) [S.Richardson]. Penalty on GB-M.Bennett, Offensive Pass Interference, offsetting, enforced at GB 27 - No Play. Penalty on SEA-R.Sherman, Defensive Holding, offsetting. 2nd and 8 at GB 27 (4:59 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to R.Cobb pushed ob at GB 37 for 10 yards (J.Coleman). 1st and 10 at GB 37 (4:53 - 4th) T.Montgomery right tackle to GB 40 for 3 yards (K.Wright). 2nd and 7 at GB 40 (4:07 - 4th) A.Rodgers pass short left to J.Nelson to GB 49 for 9 yards (S.Griffin). 1st and 10 at GB 49 (3:24 - 4th) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to R.Rodgers. PENALTY on SEA-M.Bennett, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at GB 49 - No Play. 1st and 5 at SEA 46 (3:19 - 4th) T.Montgomery left tackle to SEA 46 for no gain (S.Richardson). (3:15 - 4th) Timeout #1 by SEA at 03:15. 2nd and 5 at SEA 46 (3:15 - 4th) (Shotgun) T.Montgomery left guard to SEA 45 for 1 yard (B.Wagner, E.Thomas). (3:09 - 4th) Timeout #2 by SEA at 03:09. 3rd and 4 at SEA 45 (3:09 - 4th) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers scrambles up the middle to SEA 39 for 6 yards (K.Wright). PENALTY on GB-M.Bennett, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced between downs. 1st and 10 at GB 46 (2:59 - 4th) A.Rodgers pass deep left intended for J.Nelson INTERCEPTED by E.Thomas at SEA 0. Touchback. PENALTY on SEA-M.Bennett, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at GB 46 - No Play. Penalty on SEA-S.Griffin, Defensive Holding, declined. 1st and 5 at SEA 49 (2:51 - 4th) T.Montgomery right guard to 50 for -1 yards (J.Reed). (2:51 - 4th) Timeout #3 by SEA at 02:45. 2nd and 6 at 50 (2:45 - 4th) A.Rodgers pass short right to M.Bennett to SEA 24 for 26 yards (B.Wagner, E.Thomas). (2:00 - 4th) Two-Minute Warning 1st and 10 at SEA 24 (2:00 - 4th) A.Rodgers kneels to SEA 25 for -1 yards. 2nd and 11 at SEA 25 (1:18 - 4th) A.Rodgers kneels to SEA 26 for -1 yards. 3rd and 12 at SEA 26 (0:39 - 4th) A.Rodgers kneels to SEA 27 for -1 yards. /game I said this somewhere but I have to believe at least some of that crap is Aaron. There's no chance he's completely handcuffed to run calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaRisMa Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 We'll never know what is Aaron and what is MM. Between the two of them they need to figure that out though. You don't always need to stomp on your opponents throat. Sometimes the best way to kill them is to keep high pressure on the jugular and wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 minute ago, ChaRisMa said: We'll never know what is Aaron and what is MM. Between the two of them they need to figure that out though. You don't always need to stomp on your opponents throat. Sometimes the best way to kill them is to keep high pressure on the jugular and wait. And like half our fans beg for throat stomping. I'm totally on your side here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packerjmf Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 On the red bolded part, I believe that's when Monty went out with his (ankle?) injury. I'm guessing they weren't super comfortable with Williams in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaRisMa Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 minute ago, NormSizedMidget said: And like half our fans beg for throat stomping. I'm totally on your side here though. It's all situational. I am all for throat stomping up until time becomes as big of a problem for them as you are. Some people don't realize three consecutive runs can actually result in a first down even if the defense knows it's coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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