Kip Smithers Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 9 hours ago, Nzd07 said: generation talent or not, positional value matters. should've taken Darnold Why should we have taken Darnold? Like honestly, what has he done so far for that even be an opinion? How much better has he been than Daniel Jones? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 On 12/12/2019 at 2:04 PM, Danger said: the reason it's worked out for Dallas is because they already had good pieces around Zeke by the time they drafted him (and lucked into Dak Prescott in the 4th round) Dallas was a great team in 2014 and made Demarco Murray look like a near MVP. They had a great line, they had Dez and Witten before Dez fell off, they had Romo who people didn’t think would be injured and then they still fell into Dak. Also they were in the process of developing a defense. They were a year removed from being a top 3 NFC team. It was the epitome of a strong team adding a luxury piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kip Smithers said: Why should we have taken Darnold? Like honestly, what has he done so far for that even be an opinion? How much better has he been than Daniel Jones? Colts got 3 seconds to move down. Giants could have done that deal and would be better off 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 I also find it funny that we undevrvalue Guards at every turn and now people are saying that we should’ve taken a guard at #2 over Saquon based merely off how bad we are and what the colts have done. Whilst ignoring that the Colts didn’t just add Nelson and everything was fixed. Nonsense. We just went from undervaluing a guard to freaking overvaluing a guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, N4L said: Colts got 3 seconds to move down. Giants could have done that deal and would be better off When it comes to draft trades, you have to be careful because you don’t know how the board is set up. Say we dropped to 6 from 2. We could be missing out on a prospect we really like. That’s the issue. We drop to 6, we would miss out on Saquon, Nelson and Ward. That’s the fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Kip Smithers said: When it comes to draft trades, you have to be careful because you don’t know how the board is set up. Say we dropped to 6 from 2. We could be missing out on a prospect we really like. That’s the issue. We drop to 6, we would miss out on Saquon, Nelson and Ward. That’s the fear. Teams that live in fear never go anywhere. You have to take chances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXsteeler Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 13 hours ago, HoboRocket said: I strongly disagree. Top RBs carry games and make differences for their teams. David Johnson did so for an ailing and broken Cardinals team in 2016, a year where Michael Floyd went AWOL, John Brown got sickle-cell, and Carson Palmer had a broken hand. They didn't make the playoffs, but they would have been a lot worse if they had, say, Chris Johnson, who had played well for them the year prior. Saquon did so for the Giants this year and last. Adrian Peterson COMPLETELY carried the Vikings offense in the 2015 season. He carried his team to the playoffs. Todd Gurley has for the Rams basically his whole career, even in his first two seasons where the Rams had the worst offensive roster in football. Did those guys make the playoffs? No. But they still carried games and made a positive difference in their teams' records. The reason that most RBs only make differences when the rest of the pieces are in place? They're these throwaway replacement-level guys that people draft or acquire cheaply BECAUSE they believe that RB is the least important position in the NFL. Give me a top-5 RB over a top-5 WR any day of the week. And that's coming from a guy that has Nuk as his profile pic. When's the last time a RB carries their team to a SB appearance, or even a championship game appearance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split the Sticks Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, TXsteeler said: When's the last time a RB carries their team to a SB appearance, or even a championship game appearance? 'Xactly! Not this era. PS: I'm guessing Bus Betis Edited December 15, 2019 by Split the Sticks ps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 I voted no but I do understand why they picked him. If I were the Giants it would’ve been Josh Allen. I was a much bigger fan of his than Darnold. No way I would’ve taken a guard at 2. But it should’ve been a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Saquon Barkley was the best RB talent to be drafted since Adrian Peterson That doesn't mean it was the correct pick for the Giants, and that has been proven. Barkley played amazing in his rookie season and the Giants were terrible. Barkley has struggled this season BECAUSE the Giants are terrible. Neither party "won" with this draft pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 On 12/15/2019 at 8:58 AM, TXsteeler said: When's the last time a RB carries their team to a SB appearance, or even a championship game appearance? Its been ~20+ years since the RB position had enough value to warrant a top 5 selection - Cowboys/Zeke included. Its a luxury pick that the Giants were stupid for selecting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 On 12/14/2019 at 7:37 PM, TheKillerNacho said: i mean that's like saying you'd take a top 5 moldy taco over a top 5 used condom Both postiions are pretty uncorrelated to winning tbh. I prefer my condoms like my tacos... Gently used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 On 12/15/2019 at 9:58 AM, TXsteeler said: When's the last time a RB carries their team to a SB appearance, or even a championship game appearance? Shaun Alexander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Matts4313 said: I prefer my condoms like my tacos... Gently used. And lathered with Mexican sauce. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BACK2MACKSACK Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 People also seem to forget the influence of Marshawn Lynch. Before Russell Wilson developed into the QB he is today, it was Beast Mode that gave their team the physical identity to devastate opponents on offense. I think people are devaluing the importance of the Running Back position due to the longevity. These guys are getting tackled 20-30 times a game which requires a certain amount of durability and stamina which is underrated. He didn't have much influence in the Superbowl Victory (which wasn't required because their defense pitched a perfect game) but he dominated NO and SF. And if they simply gave him the ball they would have repeated and maybe the Legion of Boom would not have disbanded. In today's league of pass happy offenses, passing the ball in a situation where your RB is dominating the game was a grave mistake that demoralized the franchise. Even though people feel RBs aren't worth their second contract, their value is still very important when they are on the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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