tannenballs Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Odd, I don't see a place to vote for Zadarius Smith 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 3 hours ago, RaidersAreOne said: I'm surprised how quiet Mack has been this year by his standards. 8.5 sacks and 5 FF is good but I expected more out of a former DPOY. Did Fangio departing hurt him or why hasn't he been the same this season? I don't know how they've used him throughout the year, but against KC their DC put him in a position where he couldn't have gotten a good rush half the time. They had him chipping Kelce constantly. By the time he started rushing the play was half over. He was pretty effective, Kelce just got short passes, and when Mack wasn't on press duty he was beating Fisher and Schwartz reasonably frequently, but he wasn't set up well that game statistically. Having a bad scoring offense is always rough for a pass rusher, too. Maybe two or three games all year where Mack ever got any obvious passing drives against him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 15 hours ago, renndawg37 said: Gilmore has still been better. He wasnt much better.. than White before hand. Very similar performance. Although that 1 play may have made them 1a and 1b as the best CB in football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nex_Gen Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, marshawn lynch said: He wasnt much better.. than White before hand. Very similar performance. Although that 1 play may have made them 1a and 1b as the best CB in football Gillmore has followed the other teams #1 receiving threat (if applicable) in every game for the last two seasons. White is exclusively a LCB. Please stop trying. He's not a better candidate for DPOY. Especially over other guys like Watt, Chandler Jones and Fitzpatrick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 6 hours ago, marshawn lynch said: He wasnt much better.. than White before hand. Very similar performance. Although that 1 play may have made them 1a and 1b as the best CB in football lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 I don’t think Jones will break the sack record next week but if he gets to 21-22 it will be tough not to give him the award. Justin Houston had 22 sacks and didn’t win DPOY but Jones is more established and complete player. Also Watt was still Watt that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofpudding Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Gillmore. Shadows the other team's #1 receiver. Passer rating against of 35.7, lower than if the QB just spiked the ball every time. Leads league in INTs. Has actually scored more points than he has allowed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 36 minutes ago, childofpudding said: Gillmore. Shadows the other team's #1 receiver. Passer rating against of 35.7, lower than if the QB just spiked the ball every time. Leads league in INTs. Has actually scored more points than he has allowed. Easier than playing 1 side of the field when you think about it tbh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 On 12/23/2019 at 11:40 PM, tannenballs said: Odd, I don't see a place to vote for Zadarius Smith Probably because he’s the third best edge rusher in his division. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 3 hours ago, DirtyDez said: I don’t think Jones will break the sack record next week but if he gets to 21-22 it will be tough not to give him the award. Justin Houston had 22 sacks and didn’t win DPOY but Jones is more established and complete player. Also Watt was still Watt that year. He will need to flat out break the record. DPOY just doesn't go to players on teams not in the playoffs, and 2 of those times it did in the last 20 seasons, those players were o on teams that had the 5th and 2nd best D, respectively.... the other time? When Strahan broke the sack record. Of course Strahan was also playing in NY, so I'm not even positive getting the record would get Chandler the award, although you'd think it would. record + team's defensive DVOA rank Chandler Jones (5-9-1, 24th) Aaron Donald (13-3, 19th) Aaron Donald (11-5, 6th) Khalil Mack (12-4, 22nd) JJ Watt (9-7, 8th) JJ Watt (9-7, 6th) Luke Kuechly (12-4, 3rd) JJ Watt (12-4, 4th) Terrell Suggs (12-4, 1st) Troy Polamalu (12-4, 1st) Charles Woodson (11-5, 2nd) James Harrison (12-4, 1st) Bob Sanders (13-3, 2nd) Jason Taylor (6-10, 5th) Brian Urlacher (11-5, 1st) Ed Reed (9-7, 2nd) Ray Lewis (10-6, 1st) Derrick Brooks (12-4, 1st) Michael Strahan (7-9, 18th) Ray Lewis (12-4, 2nd) Warren Sapp (11-5, 2nd) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjapirate Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 3 hours ago, DirtyDez said: I don’t think Jones will break the sack record next week but if he gets to 21-22 it will be tough not to give him the award. Justin Houston had 22 sacks and didn’t win DPOY but Jones is more established and complete player. Also Watt was still Watt that year. I havent heard a single thing about jones all year so that should tell you his chance to win the award almost none. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ward4HOF Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Steelers' bias is strong in this reply, of course, but remember, Watt has 7 PDs vs Jones 3...2 INTs vs Jones 0, and drops back into coverage more often, yet still manages to have 10 Stuffs, vs Jones 2, and Watts 34 QB hits vs Jones 25...Watt is simply the more 'well-rounded' defender. Does that mean he's most deserving of DPOY?? Not sure, but I do know as a Steelers' fan, I'm thrilled he's here, and amazed at what he's been able to accomplish.... If Jones wins, however, it will be well deserved, for sure...this season's DPOY candidates are about as strong a group as I remember. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesehawk Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 10 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: Probably because he’s the third best edge rusher in his division. He's 2nd only behind Mack in my eyes. Hunter is good, but hes not as well rounded as Z is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENINCH Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, Cheesehawk said: He's 2nd only behind Mack in my eyes. Hunter is good, but hes not as well rounded as Z is. Lmao 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesehawk Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 minute ago, TENINCH said: Lmao Not sure why you're laughing. It's fine for you to disagree, but there is definitely an argument both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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