N4L Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, Chiefs_5627 said: I'm all for opinions and whatnot but c'mon man lol you study a lot of Kelce's routes? He's one of the best TEs I've ever seen that can find an open space. Kelce has been known to get behind the defense a ton as well so I'd still give him the nod deep. Kittle is a better blocker but Kelce isn't a weak link by any means. Kittle is better with the ball but Kelce has that catch n wiggle that stands up to anybody. At this point in their careers I'm fine with Kittle getting a heap of praise but to act like it's not even close is a little too extreme. I watch a lot of cheifs games and Kelce has been around for a while. Kelce is good at finding soft spots in zones for sure. He's got amazing length and good speed, but he's not the same fast twitch athlete that George is. That's why George is a better route runner imo. Kelce is a super smooth athlete and glides when he moves, but kittle is more explosive. They both have super strong hands and can do everything well, so it's not as if any of this is a knock on kelce, but George Kittle plays the game like an absolute animal. His style of play isn't sustainable unfortunately, but for the time being, he's the unquestioned #1 TE in the league. Kelce is the consensus #2 imo then it's a big drop off to the next group of guys. TE is such a nuisanced position and all around game is super important. If you can't both block and catch the ball, you don't even qualify imo. The best ones put their team at a schematic advantage because they can dictate personnel groupings for the defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said: I'm a contrarian in this stance. The idea of an all around great TE is oxy-moronic. Its like calling a DE that drops in coverage and has minimal impact in pass coverage all around the best DE. For RB it works, because its catching and running and 2 very measurable impacts. Who cares if your TE1 is a great blocker. Teams carry 3 TEs for a reason So essentially what you are saying is that blocking has no measurable impact and is therefore irrelevant? Lol Having a TE that can both block and catch is invaluable. You get them to block DEs and then it frees up your Ts to get LBs in space or double team the DT. It's like having 6 OL on the field. Then, when the defense has to go big to counter that, you can send them out to catch passes and it's a huge mismatch against most LBs. Or you leave them in to block in a passing situations, and not only do they Stonewall the DE, but the extra corner the defense brought in to cover him just hovers 5 yards down field and doesn't guard anyone actually running a route because they are worried about the TE screen. So now that TE took out two defenders by pass blocking the DE 1v1 on 3rd and 8 or whatever. That's huge. It gives the rest of the offense a big advantage. You force the other team into awkward situations and can dictate defenses. Look at the Ravens, 3 TEs at once and you have no clue if it's run or pass or even which side of the field it's going to. I can't believe that's the argument you're making 'The idea of an all around great TE is oxy-moronic' gtfo and go look up what oxy-moronic actually means lol Edited December 14, 2019 by N4L 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Definitely no where even close to Best of All Time nor on pace for it. I do think he has ascended to the best TE in the NFL this season though. He’s pretty amazing. 49ers losing that Seattle game really did show how important and valuable he is. He’s not the best by a wide margin though. I’d say Kelce is a close 2nd. Ertz is a distant third but I wouldn’t say terribly far off. I think Hunter Henry can be in Kittle and Kelce’s class if he ever stays fully healthy. He’s a complete beast and complete TE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Manny/Patrick said: Is he on his way to be the best TE of all time? He's barely the best TE playing right now. Kittle, Kelce and Ertz and all interchangeable or at have been the past 3 yrs. One upping each other every other year. Especially with Gronk retiring. Wait a decade or so before asking such a Rediculous question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 21 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said: He's barely the best TE playing right now. Kittle, Kelce and Ertz and all interchangeable or at have been the past 3 yrs. One upping each other every other year. Especially with Gronk retiring. Wait a decade or so before asking such a Rediculous question. Ertz is not on the same level as kelce and kittle... His last name doesn't even start with a K 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 51 minutes ago, N4L said: Ertz is not on the same level as kelce and kittle... His last name doesn't even start with a K His career numbers suggest otherwise. Besides its probably a good thing he doesn't have another K to go with the other two.🍺 The best TE in the NFL is the one in KC about to put up his 4th straight 1,000yd season. Travis Kelce. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 At least Kittle probably didn't do this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 50 minutes ago, Uncle Buck said: At least Kittle probably didn't do this: Sounds like Gronk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split the Sticks Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Just my opinion, if your fav TE can catch like a maniac but does not block, what you have is flex TE, and that is like saying you have a WR with a fat ***. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: His career numbers suggest otherwise. Besides its probably a good thing he doesn't have another K to go with the other two.🍺 The best TE in the NFL is the one in KC about to put up his 4th straight 1,000yd season. Travis Kelce. Ertz isnt a good blocker. That alone drops him down a peg. Ertz is comparable to kelce and kittle if you are playing fantasy football. On a real football field, his lack of blocking prowess means he isn't the same matchup nightmare that the other guys are. Plus, he's a lot slower than kittle and kelce which means he's less dynamic 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 10 hours ago, Bearerofnews said: Who cares if your TE1 is a great blocker. Teams carry 3 TEs for a reason. Blocking is huge, especially if they’re high end at both blocking and receiving. It forces the defense to choose how they’re going to cover the TE. Either abuse a LB in coverage or pancake a DB in the run game. A TE that can’t block is essentially a big WR and let’s the other team defend with more ease. It’s why Gronkowski was as great as he was - he was elite at both. Yeah, carrying blocking specialists isn’t uncommon but that becomes a tell in the play calling game. It’s like saying a running back who is an elite runner and pass catcher doesn’t hold any value or superiority over a back who is only an elite runner, because teams carry receiving backs on the depth chart. Having a guy like Saquon or McCaffrey beats the hell out of having Nick Chubb + Duke Johnson or James White. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, N4L said: Ertz isnt a good blocker. That alone drops him down a peg. Ertz is comparable to kelce and kittle if you are playing fantasy football. On a real football field, his lack of blocking prowess means he isn't the same matchup nightmare that the other guys are. Plus, he's a lot slower than kittle and kelce which means he's less dynamic I hope you're joking? Or you haven't watched Ertz enough. He's actually a pretty good blocker. Has grown leaps and bounds from his first couple of seasons. Is he in the same category as the two above No, but that's like suggesting they were on the same level as Gronk, which they weren't. It Still didn't take away from what they were or are as Overall TE's. Neither does it for Ertz in the Trio with the two above. Edited December 14, 2019 by Nabbs4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 12 hours ago, N4L said: I watch a lot of cheifs games and Kelce has been around for a while. Kelce is good at finding soft spots in zones for sure. He's got amazing length and good speed, but he's not the same fast twitch athlete that George is. That's why George is a better route runner imo. Kelce is a super smooth athlete and glides when he moves, but kittle is more explosive. They both have super strong hands and can do everything well, so it's not as if any of this is a knock on kelce, but George Kittle plays the game like an absolute animal. His style of play isn't sustainable unfortunately, but for the time being, he's the unquestioned #1 TE in the league. Kelce is the consensus #2 imo then it's a big drop off to the next group of guys. TE is such a nuisanced position and all around game is super important. If you can't both block and catch the ball, you don't even qualify imo. The best ones put their team at a schematic advantage because they can dictate personnel groupings for the defense. Route running ain’t about being a better fast twitch athlete. Otherwise you’d say Tyreek Hill is the best route runner in the NFL. I definitely have Kittle first over Kelce. Kelce drops the ball to much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 15 hours ago, N4L said: The longer track record is the only argument you could make, because kittle is a more dynamic receiving threat. He is a better route runner, is a better deep threat, and is better with the ball in his hands. Oh, and he's the superior blocker. Kelce is a damn good TE too don't get me wrong, but right now, there isn't a TE in the world who is better than George EDIT: but that doesn't make him the greatest TE ever and this thread is dumb for that reason lol I guess I haven't seen enough of Kittle to form that opinion for myself as far as being the better receiver, but it's not that I don't believe you. Certainly a rhino to bring down once the ball in his hand, and a great blocker. He definitely is the most Gronk-like TE since prime Gronk, and that statement alone is probably underselling him a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, DannyB said: I guess I haven't seen enough of Kittle to form that opinion for myself as far as being the better receiver, but it's not that I don't believe you. Certainly a rhino to bring down once the ball in his hand, and a great blocker. He definitely is the most Gronk-like TE since prime Gronk, and that statement alone is probably underselling him a bit. Put the saftey in the spin cycle Edited December 14, 2019 by N4L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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