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Week 16 - News and Notes. Lets start off with a laugher


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4 hours ago, HDsportsfan said:

Damn mods are slacking. Rams GDT is still Stickied and the Eagles game is not.

I guess this is where and when we'll hear @D82 complain about how many hours he's having to work at his part time job instead of being here doing his REAL full time job.

If this one paid the bills, I'd be on here all the time. 

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2 hours ago, Nextyearfordaboyz said:

Lol, you said

But now there are a "million mitigating factors" to why he has a good record. But fine, his career winning % is better than players like Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Carson Wentz, Jared Goff too. And it's just behind Aaron Rodgers.

The answer to this is that both winning and stats are only parts of the equation. But Dak does both of those things at a high level.

 

Teddy Bridgewater has the highest winning percentage in 2019 - Teddy for MVP

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30 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

The irony here is you dont realize how this discredits your ridiculous opinion of QBs/wins... This statement makes you look bad, not NYFDB

What you fail to grasp Matts is that good teams win games, with good QB's and merely competent QB's (Bridgewater, Matt Moore, The Steelers) If you have a lot of good players, you're going to win SOME games, if you have an elite QB and a lot of good players, you're going to win A LOT of games

As much as we dump on them, The Cowboys are a good team. Yet Dak doesn't win a lot games. You, I'm sure will lean on Dak's record, buoyed by his 13-3 year and if you were really being honest you would admit Dak was a game manager that year. The Cowboys ran the ball, controlled the clock, kept their defense off the field. I say with 100% confidence that the Cowboys win 13 games with Romo as the starter that year

Since then, Dak is 26-20. He is playing the role of a good/competent QB with a strong cast that wins some games. The games in which we have relied on Dak's arm, which he has put up impressive (Jamies Winston esque) bulk stats, we have lost. The games in which we have run the ball, controlled the clock and asked Dak to do very little (game manage) we have performed better. That is the formula for Dak's success as a QB, but that is also the formula for just about any game manager QB

This is why Dak is a mid tier QB. He needs his cast and his coaching firing on all cylinders because he does not have the ability to overcome these things and "Get the Win" consistently on his own. Strap 40 million onto him and watch as we lose an OLineman, a WR, and another piece or 2 that will further highlight his shortcomings. While I think Wentz is straight trash, there he is at 7-7 with absolutely nothing at WR, a TE that everybody knows is getting the ball and a shredded OLine - yet even HE has 7 wins

It's why Aaron Rodgers 11-3 record and 3400 yards is more impressive and Pro Bowl worthy than Dak's 7-7 record and 4500 yards. Bulk stats don't win games. Tampa Bay is looking at Winstons 7-7 record and 4700 yards of Bulk stats and debating if they should show him the door or not. Yet here you are pounding the stump to back up the Brinks Truck because Dak's the GOAT because his bulk stats say so

Cherry pick us another graph, would ya?

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3 hours ago, TheGame316 said:

The "When they arrived" window only caters to the subject that you are trying to justify

There are a million mitigating factors over that 4 year period, not the least of which being, How many QB's in that time period have started 62 games?

Doesn't that or wouldn't that go both ways?

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3 minutes ago, HDsportsfan said:

Doesn't that or wouldn't that go both ways?

Sure, lets use some examples then - Since I apparently need to spell it out

Start with the original premise that Dak is #3 in wins behind Brady and Wilson since he came into the League (4 years) which somehow justifies him being a comparable and lets look at other peers

Mahomes - FACTOR: Only started 2 years and has been injured (22-7) as a starter on what we all agree is a good/great team

Goff - FACTOR: Only started 7 games in his rookie year on a team that was straight trash. 32-13 since, (32-20 overall)

Wentz - FACTOR: Bad team year 1 and Injuries. 30-24 as a starter despite being a dink and dunk QB. He's Dak's most apt comparable and that's not a compliment

Brees - FACTOR: Injuries in this year cost him 5 wins

Garoppolo - FACTOR: Not enough games 19-5 as a starter

Rodgers - FACTOR: Missed 9 starts in 2017

Cousins - FACTOR: Has 33 wins and played 2 seasons on trash Washington. Same record as Dak over the past 3 years. KIRK Fin COUSINS

Watson - FACTOR: Only played 2.4 seasons to Dak's 4

Roethlisberger - FACTOR: missed almost all of 2019 and 3 games in 2016/17

Mariota - FOOTNOTE: Has the same win % in 2015-1018 (24-19) as Dak does in 2016-2019 (26-20) (Mariota got benched and replaced)

So, The mitigating takeaway is even Dak's 39 wins are a form of a bulk stat because he's simply played more games than the other QB's on teams that have had winning pedigrees over the past 4 seasons. The Cowboys, as a team have also been regarded as a "contender" for that entire 4 year period, whereas various other QB's/Teams have either been in flux with a rebuild or have had a revolving cast at QB

As impressive as Dak's 13-3 record was as a rookie, The 26-20 since then is equally unimpressive, Recency Bias should always be prevalent in player and team evaluation or you end up paying guys for what they have done, rather than what they are going to do

Dak is 26-20 over the past 3 seasons, in company with Marcus Mariota and Kirk Cousins

Dak has lead this team to a 7-7 record in his most recent season

In closing, Limiting the scope to "The last 4 seasons" is cherry picking for Dak

If you said "Last 5 seasons" it puts him at the same disadvantage of many on the above list

If you said "Last 3 seasons" it starts to look a lot less impressive, since he leaves the exclusive company of just Wilson and Brady

If you don't factor in injuries of other top QB's then it becomes a bulk stat - He's simply played more games

Dak's played on a "good" team for his entire 4 years. How many other QB's have had as favourable a situation?

 

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