tannenballs Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-data-study-coverage-vs-pass-rush PFF states coverage, even though it isn't as stable year to year as Pass Rush. The top 5 teams in passer rating allowed: 1. New England (cover) 2. Buffalo (cover) 3. Baltimore (cover) 4. Pittsburgh (rush) 5. San Fran (rush) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hukos Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I have some bad memories of decent, though not incredible secondary play consistently getting torched because no one can get to the QB. I have some memories of Drew Brees having damn near a minute to find someone wide open. This year though, my team seems to have found a pass rush, though our secondary is terrible so it doesn't matter. We get torched anyway. I'm pretty sure we're not allowed to have competent defense in Atlanta. So I can safely say you need both. I'd still lean towards pass rush because it's easier to predict success year by year though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetsujin Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 zone coverage -> pass rush man coverage -> coverage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Split the Sticks Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Very hard question for me to address. Belichick is famous for building his units from the line OUT, so pass rush would seem to be his favorite. But this year, everything on D is being set up by coverage. The coverage is so good it pauses the QB looking to look for an open WR and that allows the front 7 more time to penetrate. It has worked very nicely. My opinion: I prefer pass rush because that means you can stuff the run as well. "... from the line OUT". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Pass rush and why do we have this topic again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannenballs Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Calvert28 said: Pass rush and why do we have this topic again? Because 3 of the best pass defenses in the NFL are winning with coverage over pass rush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Well you can create pass rush with blitzes. Hard to create coverage out of standard alignments and formations. Elite pass rush can more easily be neutralized over elite coverage. Max protection sets, chipped blocking, imaginary elite blocking TEs. So, give me strong 3 pt shooting from the rim on goal kicks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, tannenballs said: Because 3 of the best pass defenses in the NFL are winning with coverage over pass rush No corner can stay on one WR forever, the 4 second window is the ideal shutdown time that it should take for the pass rush to get to the QB. After that the CB becomes more vulnerable with each passing second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hukos Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 When it comes to elite defenses, they usually end up having some amount of both. It's not fair to say a defense is winning purely on coverage or pass rush, because I would expect the defenses lead by coverage to have at least a replacement level pass rush. Which is a whole different animal than say, a pass rush that takes 15-20 seconds to get to the QB, in which case you're basically screwed. 9 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said: Well you can create pass rush with blitzes. Blitzes can also be picked up, QBs can read it and check down to the RB in the flat, etc. Blitzes aren't a catch-all panacea for an anemic defensive line. I'm probably biased, as my team has basically never had a good defense ever in my 20+ years of watching them, but I have memories of no matter how many rushers you send, they just never get home, the blitzers always get picked up, etc. I've seen some games so bad on defense, even when rushing 6-7 guys, the QB still has forever to find a guy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) Coverage needs pass rush more than pass rush needs coverage, although would help. So...pass rush. Both ideal, of course. Edited December 19, 2019 by Hunter2_1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Used to think it was easily pass rush, but over time I'm starting to reconsider. Pat's have elite coverage and it's gotten them far. Last year we had a great pass rush with Ford, Houston, and Jones and it didn't matter because even the best DL isn't going to get there most of the time, and all it takes is DBs getting burned on a few of those snaps. This year our rush is worse (at least without blitzing, for sure) but our coverage is way better and it's made a huge difference. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split the Sticks Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 21 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: Used to think it was easily pass rush, but over time I'm starting to reconsider. Pat's have elite coverage and it's gotten them far. Last year we had a great pass rush with Ford, Houston, and Jones and it didn't matter because even the best DL isn't going to get there most of the time, and all it takes is DBs getting burned on a few of those snaps. This year our rush is worse (at least without blitzing, for sure) but our coverage is way better and it's made a huge difference. Complimentary football. No matter how good one unit is, you need a bear minimum from the other. It seems. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 59 minutes ago, Split the Sticks said: Complimentary football. No matter how good one unit is, you need a bear minimum from the other. It seems. For sure. Being terrible at either side will definitely tank things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 The really good QB’s can neutralize a good pass rush. Won’t have near as much success if coverage is always good. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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