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Dave Gettleman and the New York Giants

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Good or bad this is what he's done since joining the Giants.

Data collected from spotrac

2018 transactions

Dead Money

2018 Dead Cap   $43,897,862
PLAYER (57) POS. CAP HIT
Jason Pierre-Paul DE $15,000,000
Damon Harrison DT $5,041,176
Ereck Flowers RT $4,579,184
Eli Apple CB $3,057,460
John Jerry G $2,550,000
Patrick Omameh G $2,500,000
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB $2,000,000
Dwayne Harris WR $1,600,000
Ray-Ray Armstrong OLB $1,125,000
Brandon Marshall WR $1,000,000
Brad Wing P $1,000,000
William Gay CB $720,000
Mike Jordan CB $296,472
Darian Thompson FS $234,284
Davis Webb QB $216,605
Donte Deayon S $195,882
Avery Moss DE $192,892
Owamagbe Odighizuwa DE $185,125
Stacy Coley WR $175,292
Garrett Dickerson TE $173,741
Kaelin Clay WR $148,235
Robert Martin RB $129,200
Victor Salako T $129,200
Grant Haley CB $128,933
Alonzo Russell WR $121,600
Adam Bisnowaty T $109,899
Shane Smith FB $101,275
Jylan Ware T $98,800
Thurston Armbrister OLB $92,472
Mark Herzlich OLB $90,000
Quadree Henderson WR $84,705
Myles Humphrey DE $83,600
Ronald Zamort CB $83,600
A.J. Howard S $76,000
Teddy Williams CB $75,000
Jhurrell Pressley RB $68,400
Mykkele Thompson FS $57,216
Adam Gettis G $50,000
Ukeme Eligwe ILB $45,600
Hakeem Valles TE $38,000
Jerell Adams TE $35,713
Brian Mihalik T $30,400
Jawill Davis WR $28,200
Woodrow Hamilton DT $22,800
Kenny Ladler SS $22,800
Bobby Hart RT $17,899
Brock Miller P $15,200
Calvin Munson ILB $10,933
Josh Banks DT $8,433
Corey Coleman WR $7,600
Amba Etta-Tawo WR $7,600
Marshall Koehn K $7,600
Jessamen Dunker T $6,667
Travis Rudolph WR $6,667
Roger Lewis WR $6,168
Romeo Okwara DE $5,000
Evan Schwan DE $3,334

Free Agency

Aug 4 2018
Leonard Johnson, CB
Signed a 1 year $915,000 contract with New York (NYG)
Jul 23 2018
Connor Barwin, OLB
Signed a 2 year $3.5 million contract with New York (NYG)
Jul 12 2018
Zac Kerin, C
Signed a 1 year $630,000 contract with New York (NYG)
Jun 12 2018
Scott Simonson, TE
Signed a contract with New York (NYG)
May 21 2018
Russell Shepard, WR
Signed a 1 year $1.25 million contract with New York (NYG)
Apr 4 2018
William Gay, CB
Signed a contract with New York (NYG)
Apr 4 2018
William Gay, CB
Signed a 1 year $1.105 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 26 2018
Michael Thomas, FS
Signed a 2 year $4 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 19 2018
B.W. Webb, CB
Signed a 1 year $815,000 contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 19 2018
Cody Latimer, WR
Signed a 1 year $2.5 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 19 2018
Kerry Wynn, DE
Signed a 1 year $1.25 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 19 2018
Josh Mauro, DT
Signed a 1 year $880,000 contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 16 2018
Curtis Riley, FS
Signed a 1 year $630,000 contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 15 2018
Patrick Omameh, RT
Signed a 3 year $15 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 14 2018
Teddy Williams, CB
Signed a 1 year $880,000 contract with New York (NYG)

Restructured

  • Janoris Jenkins, CB
    • Converted $4.5M of salary into bonus. clearing $3M of cap space with New York (NYG)
  • John Jerry, G
    • Reduced his 2018 salary from $3.05M to $1.075M, adding a $400,000 roster bonus, and $500,000 in per-game active bonuses, clearing $525,000 in space with New York (NYG)
  • Alec Ogletree, ILB
    • Converted his $7M roster bonus into signing bonus, clearing $5.25M in cap for New York (NYG)

Drafted

Round 1 (#2overall) Saquon Barkley, RB
Round 2 (#34overall) Will Hernandez, G
Round 3 (#66overall) Lorenzo Carter, DE
Round 3 (#69overall) B.J. Hill, DT
Round 4 (#108overall) Kyle Lauletta, QB
Round 4 (#139overall) R.J. McIntosh, DE

Trades

  • Oct 24 2018
    • Detroit Lions DETROIT ACQUIRES
      • Damon Harrison (DT) ($4,558,823)
    • Detroit Lions NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • 2019 5th round pick
        • (#142 - traded)
  • Oct 23 2018
    • New Orleans Saints NEW ORLEANS ACQUIRES
      • Eli Apple (CB) ($1,074,990)
    • New Orleans Saints NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • 2020 7th round pick
        2019 4th round pick
        • (#132 - traded)
  • Aug 26 2018
    • Minnesota Vikings MINNESOTA ACQUIRES
      • Brett Jones (C) ($2,914,000)
    • Minnesota Vikings NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • 2019 7th round pick
        • (#232 George Asafo-adjei, T)
  • Apr 21 2018
    • Denver Broncos DENVER ACQUIRES
      • 2019 7th round pick
        • (#220 - traded)
      • Denver Broncos NEW YORK ACQUIRES
        • Riley Dixon (P) ($630,000)
  • Mar 22 2018
    • New York Giants NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • 2018 3rd round pick
        • (#69 B.J. Hill, DT)
      • 2018 4th round pick
        • (#108 Kyle Lauletta, QB)
      • New York Giants TAMPA BAY ACQUIRES
        • Jason Pierre-Paul (DE) ($12,500,000)
        • 2018 4th round pick
          • (#102 - traded)
  • Mar 7 2018
    • New York Giants NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • Alec Ogletree (ILB) ($10,000,000)
        • 2019 7th round pick
          • (#245 Chris Slayton, DT)
    • New York Giants LOS ANGELES ACQUIRES
      • 2018 4th round pick
        • (#135 John Franklin-Myers, DE)
      • 2018 6th round pick
        • (#176 John Kelly, RB)

 

2019 transactions

Dead Money

2019 Dead Cap   $54,796,416
PLAYER (60) POS. CAP HIT
Odell Beckham, Jr. WR $16,000,000
Janoris Jenkins CB $13,555,882
Olivier Vernon OLB $8,000,000
Damon Harrison DT $3,200,000
Patrick Omameh G $3,000,000
Eli Apple CB $2,304,968
Alex Tanney QB $1,112,500
Bennie Fowler WR $1,019,117
Olsen Pierre DE $934,375
Eric Tomlinson TE $720,000
Davis Webb QB $383,210
Connor Barwin OLB $365,000
Nathan Stupar OLB $338,824
Sean Chandler S $337,097
Tae Davis LB $269,898
Garrett Dickerson TE $234,705
Darian Thompson FS $209,284
Tuzar Skipper DE $206,705
Kyle Lauletta QB $176,924
Keion Adams OLB $155,645
Paul Perkins RB $147,843
Chris Slayton DT $146,893
B.J. Goodson ILB $145,554
TJ Jones WR $142,058
Scott Simonson TE $137,352
Josiah Tauaefa LB $132,000
Evan Brown C $128,450
Avery Moss DE $127,384
David Sills WR $120,000
Jonathan Hilliman RB $116,353
Rod Smith RB $114,000
Reggie White Jr WR $81,666
Freedom Akinmoladun DE $80,000
Corn Elder CB $80,000
Jake Carlock CB $66,500
Da'Mari Scott WR $64,000
Tony Lippett CB $60,000
Chad Wheeler T $44,609
Jerell Adams TE $35,716
James O'Hagan C $31,666
Austin Walter RB $30,000
Alex Wesley WR $27,235
Jonathan Anderson ILB $26,353
Devante Downs ILB $24,000
Brittan Golden WR $24,000
Sean Smith P $24,000
Victor Salako T $22,235
C.J. Conrad TE $19,333
Rashaan Gaulden S $16,000
Colin Holba LS $16,000
John Jenkins DE $15,000
Jeremiah Harris LB $13,333
Calvin Munson ILB $3,334
Paul Adams T $3,333
Ronald Zamort CB $2,750
Eric Dungey QB $1,666
Josh Banks DT $834
Alex Jenkins DE $500
Tenny Adewusi S $166
Ryan Anderson P $166

Restructured

  • Rhett Ellison, TE
    • Converted $1.87M of 2019 salary into bonus, clearing $938,382 of cap space with New York (NYG)
  • Nate Solder, LT
    • Converted $7.5M of 2019 salary into bonus, clearing $5M of cap space for New York (NYG)

Free Agency

Oct 22 2019
Deone Bucannon, ILB
Signed a contract with New York (NYG)
Oct 12 2019
Javorius Allen, RB
Signed a contract with New York (NYG)
Sep 2 2019
David Mayo, ILB
Signed a contract with New York (NYG)
Sep 1 2019
Eric Tomlinson, TE
Signed a contract with New York (NYG)
July 27 2019
TJ Jones, WR
Signed a 1 year $805,000 contract with New York (NYG)
May 13 2019
John Jenkins, DE
Signed a 1 year $845,000 contract with New York (NYG)
May 12 2019
Mike Remmers, RT
Signed a 1 year $2.5 million contract with New York (NYG)
May 8 2019
Rod Smith, RB
Signed a 1 year $805,000 contract with New York (NYG)
Apr 10 2019
Russell Shepard, WR
Signed a 1 year $1.5 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 20 2019
Nathan Stupar, OLB
Signed a 1 year $895,000 contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 19 2019
Bennie Fowler, WR
Signed a 1 year $895,000 contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 18 2019
Cody Latimer, WR
Signed a 1 year $1.5 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 15 2019
Olsen Pierre, DE
Signed a 1 year $1 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 14 2019
Markus Golden, OLB
Signed a 1 year $3.75 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 14 2019
Golden Tate, WR
Signed a 4 year $37.5 million contract with New York (NYG)

Drafted

Round 1 (#6overall) Daniel Jones, QB
Round 1 (#17overall) Dexter Lawrence, DE
Round 1 (#30overall) Deandre Baker, CB
Round 3 (#95overall) Oshane Ximines, OLB
Round 4 (#108overall) Julian Love, CB
Round 5 (#143overall) Ryan Connelly, LB
Round 5 (#171overall) Darius Slayton, WR
Round 6 (#180overall) Corey Ballentine, CB
Round 7 (#232overall) George Asafo-adjei, T
Round 7 (#245overall) Chris Slayton, DT

Trades

  • Oct 28 2019
    • New York Giants NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • Leonard Williams (DE) ($7,517,648)
      • $4M cash
    • New York Giants NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • 2020 3rd round pick
      • 2021 5th round pick
  • Sep 2 2019
    • Green Bay Packers GREEN BAY ACQUIRES
      • B.J. Goodson (ILB) ($720,000)
      • 2020 7th round pick
    • Green Bay Packers NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • 2020 7th round pick
  • Mar 13 2019
    • Cleveland Browns CLEVELAND ACQUIRES
      • Odell Beckham, Jr. (WR) ($17,000,000)
      • Olivier Vernon (OLB) ($15,500,000)
    • Cleveland Browns NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • Jabrill Peppers (S) ($1,405,181)
      • Kevin Zeitler (G) ($10,000,000)
      • 2019 1st round pick
        • (#17 Dexter Lawrence, DE)
      • 2019 3rd round pick
        • (#95 Oshane Ximines, OLB)
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Most of these cap numbers are irrelevant once the new league year starts, no? And he had to clean on a few of the players he didn't bring on. He amassed a ton of dead cap, but we weren't spending any of that money elsewhere. Gettleman is getting a lot of flack from STILL having to clean the mess left by the previous management. He has mad questionable moves, yes, and some have paid off pretty well others haven't.  

 

I do believe this dead cap post is kinda just to keep stirring the fire. A lot of these guy aren't ones he has brought on. Solder is his big FA buy, and it didn't end well. Most of us wanted Solder at the time, his contract was just the price it took to dance. 

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8 minutes ago, YogiBiz said:

Most of these cap numbers are irrelevant once the new league year starts, no? And he had to clean on a few of the players he didn't bring on. He amassed a ton of dead cap, but we weren't spending any of that money elsewhere. Gettleman is getting a lot of flack from STILL having to clean the mess left by the previous management. He has mad questionable moves, yes, and some have paid off pretty well others haven't.  

 

I do believe this dead cap post is kinda just to keep stirring the fire. A lot of these guy aren't ones he has brought on. Solder is his big FA buy, and it didn't end well. Most of us wanted Solder at the time, his contract was just the price it took to dance. 

And we’re still a mess. He’s just made a new one. 

Say what you will about what our previous regime, but we were never this bad. We at least made the playoffs once and those big FA contracts were a big reason for our success in 2016. 
 

This team is lacking in talent, like serious talent, yet we don’t get rid of the guy whose main job is to pick that talent? 

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16 minutes ago, Kip Smithers said:

And we’re still a mess. He’s just made a new one. 

Say what you will about what our previous regime, but we were never this bad. We at least made the playoffs once and those big FA contracts were a big reason for our success in 2016. 
 

This team is lacking in talent, like serious talent, yet we don’t get rid of the guy whose main job is to pick that talent? 

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Do you ....

Do you really think that? We were never a one or two season rebuild. Because of the situation we were placed in. He has done a good job drafting. We literally have been to playoffs twice in the last decade. He has only been responsible for two of those lost seasons, during a rebuild. Be patient, it isn't going to turn around soon. Our defense is terrible. Yes, he had to live with the moves that were made in 2016, and make bargain adds based on that. I'll give him a Solid C+ as he's been horrendous adding talent. 

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50 minutes ago, YogiBiz said:

....

Do you ....

Do you really think that? We were never a one or two season rebuild. Because of the situation we were placed in. He has done a good job drafting. We literally have been to playoffs twice in the last decade. He has only been responsible for two of those lost seasons, during a rebuild. Be patient, it isn't going to turn around soon. Our defense is terrible. Yes, he had to live with the moves that were made in 2016, and make bargain adds based on that. I'll give him a Solid C+ as he's been horrendous adding talent. 

Gettleman didn’t embrace the rebuild. He idiotically thought this roster was still one that could compete hence why he stuck with Eli, gave Odell an extension, drafted a RB at 2 when our o-line was a mess. 
 

If you’re gonna fire Shurmur you might as well fire Gettleman. They’re a package deal. Simple as that 

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1 hour ago, Kip Smithers said:

Gettleman didn’t embrace the rebuild. He idiotically thought this roster was still one that could compete hence why he stuck with Eli, gave Odell an extension, drafted a RB at 2 when our o-line was a mess. 
 

If you’re gonna fire Shurmur you might as well fire Gettleman. They’re a package deal. Simple as that 

As of now, as many of you know Shurmur is gone but Gettleman has been retained.  I think it will depend on who the new coach is but I don't think Gettleman is def going to be back with us next year.  If our top target is either Rhule or McDaniels and they want full control I can see Gettleman being on the chopping block.

 

As for the job Gettelman has done I think it has been mixed.  First and foremost he was handed an absolute dumpster fire of an operation.   This organization lost control of the team during the end of the McAdoo era.  Clearly, I have no knowledge of this but it wouldn't surprise me if he was given this job with Eli being attached as the starting QB.  He was also put in a tough position with OBJ.  I know he was the one that extended him, but the way OBJ was babied by the previous regime earlier in his career did exactly endear him to Gettleman.  

 

As to the job he's actually done.  The bad is that he's been irresponsible with the cap and has whiffed on many free agent signings such as Solder, Conor Barwin and Golden Tate.  Also the Leonard Williams trade doesn't look great as of now.

The good is on the pro personnel level is the Markus Golden signing and the fact that he let Landon Collins walk without giving him huge money and we will likely receiver a 3rd round comp pick for him.  His drafts have also looked strong.  Granted they're probably a little inflated because our team is so bad we're forced to start young players that shouldn't be starting but I would say out of his 2 drafts with the Giants that Barkely, Hernandez, Lorenzo Carter, Bj Hill, Daniel Jones, Lawrence, Baker, Ximienes, Julian Love, Ryan Connelly, Darius Slatyon and possibly Corey Ballentine all look like players that may stick at this level.  That's a decent amount of players to acquire from 2 drafts.  

 

Going into this offseason I do trust Gettleman to get good value out of the draft and trust him to make the correct selections.  However, what does concern me is that we will have a lot of cap room this offseason.  Can he make the correct decisions with the cap room?  I'm guessing a lot of this will clear up after we hire a coach.  Other than that the rest remains to be seen.

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7 hours ago, YogiBiz said:

Most of these cap numbers are irrelevant once the new league year starts, no? And he had to clean on a few of the players he didn't bring on. He amassed a ton of dead cap, but we weren't spending any of that money elsewhere. Gettleman is getting a lot of flack from STILL having to clean the mess left by the previous management. He has mad questionable moves, yes, and some have paid off pretty well others haven't.  

 

I do believe this dead cap post is kinda just to keep stirring the fire. A lot of these guy aren't ones he has brought on. Solder is his big FA buy, and it didn't end well. Most of us wanted Solder at the time, his contract was just the price it took to dance. 

Dead money can stick around one to two seasons depending on when the player is released or traded.  For example, Patrick Omameh was signed in 2018, released the same year accumulating 2.5 million in 2018 and 3 million in 2019.  This can be said for several of these like Eli Apple and Damon Harrison so dead money does matter and when you've accumulated that much it's just poor cap management.  So basically, the team is paying for players to play on another roster.  They were also forced to restructure some of these contracts to free up cap space.

The mess he had is exaggerated, he didn't need to switch to a 34 defense and his big issue with the offense was the line, which he's done nothing in terms of improving it.  His free agent signings and draft picks invested in that line hasn't worked out or will be free agents this year, like Mike Remmers.  Basically starting from scratch yet again.  No reason to blow the team up like he did and trading players that you sign the same year to huge extensions burns bridges to the point players aren't willing to sign with teams like this.  

I posted more than just the dead money...his trading decisions definitely favored the other team and most of those trades that acquired additional picks were just used to trade away to get higher picks.  

Most of us wanted Solder at the time because he was the only "true" left tackle in that free agency, and Flowers was clearly not the answer.  I don't think anyone was advocating to make him the highest paid tackle at the time of his signing.  

 

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He's a mixed bag. Good at drafting, terrible in free agency. I think keeping him is mostly a mistake, but I still think the talent on the roster this past year was better than the talent in NYJ and MIA for instance and we absolutely should have won more games than we did. 

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3 minutes ago, minutemancl said:

He's a mixed bag. Good at drafting, terrible in free agency. I think keeping him is mostly a mistake, but I still think the talent on the roster this past year was better than the talent in NYJ and MIA for instance and we absolutely should have won more games than we did. 

Would agree about the Dolphins.  Disagree about the Jets.  They're a year ahead of us.  Drafted their QB and had their spending spree last year.  They have a much better defense than us.  By the end of the year we were basically starting 3 rookies in the secondary.  I feel just like you though.  I think this is an extremely important offseason for the franchise and I trust Gettleman to draft well.  But we could have north of 80 mil in cap space and that could get ugly.  

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21 minutes ago, Gmen19851 said:

Would agree about the Dolphins.  Disagree about the Jets.  They're a year ahead of us.  Drafted their QB and had their spending spree last year.  They have a much better defense than us.  By the end of the year we were basically starting 3 rookies in the secondary.  I feel just like you though.  I think this is an extremely important offseason for the franchise and I trust Gettleman to draft well.  But we could have north of 80 mil in cap space and that could get ugly.  

When your always picking in the top 6, I think would be hard to have a bad draft for the first three rounds.  I would prefer if Gettleman was fired just for that trade with the Jets alone. However he did provide us our QB of the future so can't kill the owners for keeping him. I just hope if next season is a failure he then gets fired, three seasons is plenty of time to turn a team into a winner.  

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3 hours ago, Go_Giants said:

When your always picking in the top 6, I think would be hard to have a bad draft for the first three rounds.  I would prefer if Gettleman was fired just for that trade with the Jets alone. However he did provide us our QB of the future so can't kill the owners for keeping him. I just hope if next season is a failure he then gets fired, three seasons is plenty of time to turn a team into a winner.  

I just don't understand the logic of these owners and with using Pat as the scapegoat is just wrong.  Similar situation to what they did with Coughlin and I'd happily take Reese back with open arms at this point, he at least provided the coach with a roster to work with.

I'm just at a loss really...everything points to Gettleman as the issue and he's the one individual they retain.  Sick to my stomach.

 

 

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I mean I expected this after they allowed him to release Jenkins, figured no owner would allow him to do anything if he was on the verge of being fired.  So this comes as no surprise, I was just hopeful, but I guess after you allow someone to burn the village down and he did burn it down, that they will be looking for their own scapegoat when it's all said and done.  

 

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