ny92mike Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) Good or bad this is what he's done since joining the Giants. Data collected from spotrac 2018 transactions Dead Money 2018 Dead Cap $43,897,862 PLAYER (57) POS. CAP HIT Jason Pierre-Paul DE $15,000,000 Damon Harrison DT $5,041,176 Ereck Flowers RT $4,579,184 Eli Apple CB $3,057,460 John Jerry G $2,550,000 Patrick Omameh G $2,500,000 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB $2,000,000 Dwayne Harris WR $1,600,000 Ray-Ray Armstrong OLB $1,125,000 Brandon Marshall WR $1,000,000 Brad Wing P $1,000,000 William Gay CB $720,000 Mike Jordan CB $296,472 Darian Thompson FS $234,284 Davis Webb QB $216,605 Donte Deayon S $195,882 Avery Moss DE $192,892 Owamagbe Odighizuwa DE $185,125 Stacy Coley WR $175,292 Garrett Dickerson TE $173,741 Kaelin Clay WR $148,235 Robert Martin RB $129,200 Victor Salako T $129,200 Grant Haley CB $128,933 Alonzo Russell WR $121,600 Adam Bisnowaty T $109,899 Shane Smith FB $101,275 Jylan Ware T $98,800 Thurston Armbrister OLB $92,472 Mark Herzlich OLB $90,000 Quadree Henderson WR $84,705 Myles Humphrey DE $83,600 Ronald Zamort CB $83,600 A.J. Howard S $76,000 Teddy Williams CB $75,000 Jhurrell Pressley RB $68,400 Mykkele Thompson FS $57,216 Adam Gettis G $50,000 Ukeme Eligwe ILB $45,600 Hakeem Valles TE $38,000 Jerell Adams TE $35,713 Brian Mihalik T $30,400 Jawill Davis WR $28,200 Woodrow Hamilton DT $22,800 Kenny Ladler SS $22,800 Bobby Hart RT $17,899 Brock Miller P $15,200 Calvin Munson ILB $10,933 Josh Banks DT $8,433 Corey Coleman WR $7,600 Amba Etta-Tawo WR $7,600 Marshall Koehn K $7,600 Jessamen Dunker T $6,667 Travis Rudolph WR $6,667 Roger Lewis WR $6,168 Romeo Okwara DE $5,000 Evan Schwan DE $3,334 Free Agency Aug 4 2018 Leonard Johnson, CB Signed a 1 year $915,000 contract with New York (NYG) Jul 23 2018 Connor Barwin, OLB Signed a 2 year $3.5 million contract with New York (NYG) Jul 12 2018 Zac Kerin, C Signed a 1 year $630,000 contract with New York (NYG) Jun 12 2018 Scott Simonson, TE Signed a contract with New York (NYG) May 21 2018 Russell Shepard, WR Signed a 1 year $1.25 million contract with New York (NYG) Apr 4 2018 William Gay, CB Signed a contract with New York (NYG) Apr 4 2018 William Gay, CB Signed a 1 year $1.105 million contract with New York (NYG) Mar 26 2018 Michael Thomas, FS Signed a 2 year $4 million contract with New York (NYG) Mar 19 2018 B.W. Webb, CB Signed a 1 year $815,000 contract with New York (NYG) Mar 19 2018 Cody Latimer, WR Signed a 1 year $2.5 million contract with New York (NYG) Mar 19 2018 Kerry Wynn, DE Signed a 1 year $1.25 million contract with New York (NYG) Mar 19 2018 Josh Mauro, DT Signed a 1 year $880,000 contract with New York (NYG) Mar 16 2018 Curtis Riley, FS Signed a 1 year $630,000 contract with New York (NYG) Mar 15 2018 Patrick Omameh, RT Signed a 3 year $15 million contract with New York (NYG) Mar 14 2018 Teddy Williams, CB Signed a 1 year $880,000 contract with New York (NYG) Restructured Janoris Jenkins, CB Converted $4.5M of salary into bonus. clearing $3M of cap space with New York (NYG) John Jerry, G Reduced his 2018 salary from $3.05M to $1.075M, adding a $400,000 roster bonus, and $500,000 in per-game active bonuses, clearing $525,000 in space with New York (NYG) Alec Ogletree, ILB Converted his $7M roster bonus into signing bonus, clearing $5.25M in cap for New York (NYG) Drafted Round 1 (#2overall) Saquon Barkley, RB Round 2 (#34overall) Will Hernandez, G Round 3 (#66overall) Lorenzo Carter, DE Round 3 (#69overall) B.J. Hill, DT Round 4 (#108overall) Kyle Lauletta, QB Round 4 (#139overall) R.J. McIntosh, DE Trades Oct 24 2018 Detroit Lions DETROIT ACQUIRES Damon Harrison (DT) ($4,558,823) Detroit Lions NEW YORK ACQUIRES 2019 5th round pick (#142 - traded) Oct 23 2018 New Orleans Saints NEW ORLEANS ACQUIRES Eli Apple (CB) ($1,074,990) New Orleans Saints NEW YORK ACQUIRES 2020 7th round pick 2019 4th round pick (#132 - traded) Aug 26 2018 Minnesota Vikings MINNESOTA ACQUIRES Brett Jones (C) ($2,914,000) Minnesota Vikings NEW YORK ACQUIRES 2019 7th round pick (#232 George Asafo-adjei, T) Apr 21 2018 Denver Broncos DENVER ACQUIRES 2019 7th round pick (#220 - traded) Denver Broncos NEW YORK ACQUIRES Riley Dixon (P) ($630,000) Mar 22 2018 New York Giants NEW YORK ACQUIRES 2018 3rd round pick (#69 B.J. Hill, DT) 2018 4th round pick (#108 Kyle Lauletta, QB) New York Giants TAMPA BAY ACQUIRES Jason Pierre-Paul (DE) ($12,500,000) 2018 4th round pick (#102 - traded) Mar 7 2018 New York Giants NEW YORK ACQUIRES Alec Ogletree (ILB) ($10,000,000) 2019 7th round pick (#245 Chris Slayton, DT) New York Giants LOS ANGELES ACQUIRES 2018 4th round pick (#135 John Franklin-Myers, DE) 2018 6th round pick (#176 John Kelly, RB) 2019 transactions Dead Money 2019 Dead Cap $54,796,416 PLAYER (60) POS. CAP HIT Odell Beckham, Jr. WR $16,000,000 Janoris Jenkins CB $13,555,882 Olivier Vernon OLB $8,000,000 Damon Harrison DT $3,200,000 Patrick Omameh G $3,000,000 Eli Apple CB $2,304,968 Alex Tanney QB $1,112,500 Bennie Fowler WR $1,019,117 Olsen Pierre DE $934,375 Eric Tomlinson TE $720,000 Davis Webb QB $383,210 Connor Barwin OLB $365,000 Nathan Stupar OLB $338,824 Sean Chandler S $337,097 Tae Davis LB $269,898 Garrett Dickerson TE $234,705 Darian Thompson FS $209,284 Tuzar Skipper DE $206,705 Kyle Lauletta QB $176,924 Keion Adams OLB $155,645 Paul Perkins RB $147,843 Chris Slayton DT $146,893 B.J. Goodson ILB $145,554 TJ Jones WR $142,058 Scott Simonson TE $137,352 Josiah Tauaefa LB $132,000 Evan Brown C $128,450 Avery Moss DE $127,384 David Sills WR $120,000 Jonathan Hilliman RB $116,353 Rod Smith RB $114,000 Reggie White Jr WR $81,666 Freedom Akinmoladun DE $80,000 Corn Elder CB $80,000 Jake Carlock CB $66,500 Da'Mari Scott WR $64,000 Tony Lippett CB $60,000 Chad Wheeler T $44,609 Jerell Adams TE $35,716 James O'Hagan C $31,666 Austin Walter RB $30,000 Alex Wesley WR $27,235 Jonathan Anderson ILB $26,353 Devante Downs ILB $24,000 Brittan Golden WR $24,000 Sean Smith P $24,000 Victor Salako T $22,235 C.J. Conrad TE $19,333 Rashaan Gaulden S $16,000 Colin Holba LS $16,000 John Jenkins DE $15,000 Jeremiah Harris LB $13,333 Calvin Munson ILB $3,334 Paul Adams T $3,333 Ronald Zamort CB $2,750 Eric Dungey QB $1,666 Josh Banks DT $834 Alex Jenkins DE $500 Tenny Adewusi S $166 Ryan Anderson P $166 Restructured Rhett Ellison, TE Converted $1.87M of 2019 salary into bonus, clearing $938,382 of cap space with New York (NYG) Nate Solder, LT Converted $7.5M of 2019 salary into bonus, clearing $5M of cap space for New York (NYG) Free Agency Oct 22 2019 Deone Bucannon, ILB Signed a contract with New York (NYG) Oct 12 2019 Javorius Allen, RB Signed a contract with New York (NYG) Sep 2 2019 David Mayo, ILB Signed a contract with New York (NYG) Sep 1 2019 Eric Tomlinson, TE Signed a contract with New York (NYG) July 27 2019 TJ Jones, WR Signed a 1 year $805,000 contract with New York (NYG) May 13 2019 John Jenkins, DE Signed a 1 year $845,000 contract with New York (NYG) May 12 2019 Mike Remmers, RT Signed a 1 year $2.5 million contract with New York (NYG) May 8 2019 Rod Smith, RB Signed a 1 year $805,000 contract with New York (NYG) Apr 10 2019 Russell Shepard, WR Signed a 1 year $1.5 million contract with New York (NYG) Mar 20 2019 Nathan Stupar, OLB Signed a 1 year $895,000 contract with New York (NYG) Mar 19 2019 Bennie Fowler, WR Signed a 1 year $895,000 contract with New York (NYG) Mar 18 2019 Cody Latimer, WR Signed a 1 year $1.5 million contract with New York (NYG) Mar 15 2019 Olsen Pierre, DE Signed a 1 year $1 million contract with New York (NYG) Mar 14 2019 Markus Golden, OLB Signed a 1 year $3.75 million contract with New York (NYG) Mar 14 2019 Golden Tate, WR Signed a 4 year $37.5 million contract with New York (NYG) Drafted Round 1 (#6overall) Daniel Jones, QB Round 1 (#17overall) Dexter Lawrence, DE Round 1 (#30overall) Deandre Baker, CB Round 3 (#95overall) Oshane Ximines, OLB Round 4 (#108overall) Julian Love, CB Round 5 (#143overall) Ryan Connelly, LB Round 5 (#171overall) Darius Slayton, WR Round 6 (#180overall) Corey Ballentine, CB Round 7 (#232overall) George Asafo-adjei, T Round 7 (#245overall) Chris Slayton, DT Trades Oct 28 2019 New York Giants NEW YORK ACQUIRES Leonard Williams (DE) ($7,517,648) $4M cash New York Giants NEW YORK ACQUIRES 2020 3rd round pick 2021 5th round pick Sep 2 2019 Green Bay Packers GREEN BAY ACQUIRES B.J. Goodson (ILB) ($720,000) 2020 7th round pick Green Bay Packers NEW YORK ACQUIRES 2020 7th round pick Mar 13 2019 Cleveland Browns CLEVELAND ACQUIRES Odell Beckham, Jr. (WR) ($17,000,000) Olivier Vernon (OLB) ($15,500,000) Cleveland Browns NEW YORK ACQUIRES Jabrill Peppers (S) ($1,405,181) Kevin Zeitler (G) ($10,000,000) 2019 1st round pick (#17 Dexter Lawrence, DE) 2019 3rd round pick (#95 Oshane Ximines, OLB) Edited December 30, 2019 by ny92mike Remove extra lines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giants4eva Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 The dead cap money was just insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YogiBiz Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Most of these cap numbers are irrelevant once the new league year starts, no? And he had to clean on a few of the players he didn't bring on. He amassed a ton of dead cap, but we weren't spending any of that money elsewhere. Gettleman is getting a lot of flack from STILL having to clean the mess left by the previous management. He has mad questionable moves, yes, and some have paid off pretty well others haven't. I do believe this dead cap post is kinda just to keep stirring the fire. A lot of these guy aren't ones he has brought on. Solder is his big FA buy, and it didn't end well. Most of us wanted Solder at the time, his contract was just the price it took to dance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, YogiBiz said: Most of these cap numbers are irrelevant once the new league year starts, no? And he had to clean on a few of the players he didn't bring on. He amassed a ton of dead cap, but we weren't spending any of that money elsewhere. Gettleman is getting a lot of flack from STILL having to clean the mess left by the previous management. He has mad questionable moves, yes, and some have paid off pretty well others haven't. I do believe this dead cap post is kinda just to keep stirring the fire. A lot of these guy aren't ones he has brought on. Solder is his big FA buy, and it didn't end well. Most of us wanted Solder at the time, his contract was just the price it took to dance. And we’re still a mess. He’s just made a new one. Say what you will about what our previous regime, but we were never this bad. We at least made the playoffs once and those big FA contracts were a big reason for our success in 2016. This team is lacking in talent, like serious talent, yet we don’t get rid of the guy whose main job is to pick that talent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YogiBiz Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Kip Smithers said: And we’re still a mess. He’s just made a new one. Say what you will about what our previous regime, but we were never this bad. We at least made the playoffs once and those big FA contracts were a big reason for our success in 2016. This team is lacking in talent, like serious talent, yet we don’t get rid of the guy whose main job is to pick that talent? .... Do you .... Do you really think that? We were never a one or two season rebuild. Because of the situation we were placed in. He has done a good job drafting. We literally have been to playoffs twice in the last decade. He has only been responsible for two of those lost seasons, during a rebuild. Be patient, it isn't going to turn around soon. Our defense is terrible. Yes, he had to live with the moves that were made in 2016, and make bargain adds based on that. I'll give him a Solid C+ as he's been horrendous adding talent. Edited December 30, 2019 by YogiBiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 50 minutes ago, YogiBiz said: .... Do you .... Do you really think that? We were never a one or two season rebuild. Because of the situation we were placed in. He has done a good job drafting. We literally have been to playoffs twice in the last decade. He has only been responsible for two of those lost seasons, during a rebuild. Be patient, it isn't going to turn around soon. Our defense is terrible. Yes, he had to live with the moves that were made in 2016, and make bargain adds based on that. I'll give him a Solid C+ as he's been horrendous adding talent. Gettleman didn’t embrace the rebuild. He idiotically thought this roster was still one that could compete hence why he stuck with Eli, gave Odell an extension, drafted a RB at 2 when our o-line was a mess. If you’re gonna fire Shurmur you might as well fire Gettleman. They’re a package deal. Simple as that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen19851 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Kip Smithers said: Gettleman didn’t embrace the rebuild. He idiotically thought this roster was still one that could compete hence why he stuck with Eli, gave Odell an extension, drafted a RB at 2 when our o-line was a mess. If you’re gonna fire Shurmur you might as well fire Gettleman. They’re a package deal. Simple as that As of now, as many of you know Shurmur is gone but Gettleman has been retained. I think it will depend on who the new coach is but I don't think Gettleman is def going to be back with us next year. If our top target is either Rhule or McDaniels and they want full control I can see Gettleman being on the chopping block. As for the job Gettelman has done I think it has been mixed. First and foremost he was handed an absolute dumpster fire of an operation. This organization lost control of the team during the end of the McAdoo era. Clearly, I have no knowledge of this but it wouldn't surprise me if he was given this job with Eli being attached as the starting QB. He was also put in a tough position with OBJ. I know he was the one that extended him, but the way OBJ was babied by the previous regime earlier in his career did exactly endear him to Gettleman. As to the job he's actually done. The bad is that he's been irresponsible with the cap and has whiffed on many free agent signings such as Solder, Conor Barwin and Golden Tate. Also the Leonard Williams trade doesn't look great as of now. The good is on the pro personnel level is the Markus Golden signing and the fact that he let Landon Collins walk without giving him huge money and we will likely receiver a 3rd round comp pick for him. His drafts have also looked strong. Granted they're probably a little inflated because our team is so bad we're forced to start young players that shouldn't be starting but I would say out of his 2 drafts with the Giants that Barkely, Hernandez, Lorenzo Carter, Bj Hill, Daniel Jones, Lawrence, Baker, Ximienes, Julian Love, Ryan Connelly, Darius Slatyon and possibly Corey Ballentine all look like players that may stick at this level. That's a decent amount of players to acquire from 2 drafts. Going into this offseason I do trust Gettleman to get good value out of the draft and trust him to make the correct selections. However, what does concern me is that we will have a lot of cap room this offseason. Can he make the correct decisions with the cap room? I'm guessing a lot of this will clear up after we hire a coach. Other than that the rest remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYGiantsman10 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2869074-new-york-giants-problems-begin-at-the-top-keeping-dave-gettleman-is-a-mistake This is a really good article. I don't agree with all of it but definitely most of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 7 hours ago, YogiBiz said: Most of these cap numbers are irrelevant once the new league year starts, no? And he had to clean on a few of the players he didn't bring on. He amassed a ton of dead cap, but we weren't spending any of that money elsewhere. Gettleman is getting a lot of flack from STILL having to clean the mess left by the previous management. He has mad questionable moves, yes, and some have paid off pretty well others haven't. I do believe this dead cap post is kinda just to keep stirring the fire. A lot of these guy aren't ones he has brought on. Solder is his big FA buy, and it didn't end well. Most of us wanted Solder at the time, his contract was just the price it took to dance. Dead money can stick around one to two seasons depending on when the player is released or traded. For example, Patrick Omameh was signed in 2018, released the same year accumulating 2.5 million in 2018 and 3 million in 2019. This can be said for several of these like Eli Apple and Damon Harrison so dead money does matter and when you've accumulated that much it's just poor cap management. So basically, the team is paying for players to play on another roster. They were also forced to restructure some of these contracts to free up cap space. The mess he had is exaggerated, he didn't need to switch to a 34 defense and his big issue with the offense was the line, which he's done nothing in terms of improving it. His free agent signings and draft picks invested in that line hasn't worked out or will be free agents this year, like Mike Remmers. Basically starting from scratch yet again. No reason to blow the team up like he did and trading players that you sign the same year to huge extensions burns bridges to the point players aren't willing to sign with teams like this. I posted more than just the dead money...his trading decisions definitely favored the other team and most of those trades that acquired additional picks were just used to trade away to get higher picks. Most of us wanted Solder at the time because he was the only "true" left tackle in that free agency, and Flowers was clearly not the answer. I don't think anyone was advocating to make him the highest paid tackle at the time of his signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen19851 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, NYGiantsman10 said: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2869074-new-york-giants-problems-begin-at-the-top-keeping-dave-gettleman-is-a-mistake This is a really good article. I don't agree with all of it but definitely most of it Schefter said that Gettleman will not necessarily continue with the Giants. Going to depend on coaching decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 He's a mixed bag. Good at drafting, terrible in free agency. I think keeping him is mostly a mistake, but I still think the talent on the roster this past year was better than the talent in NYJ and MIA for instance and we absolutely should have won more games than we did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen19851 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, minutemancl said: He's a mixed bag. Good at drafting, terrible in free agency. I think keeping him is mostly a mistake, but I still think the talent on the roster this past year was better than the talent in NYJ and MIA for instance and we absolutely should have won more games than we did. Would agree about the Dolphins. Disagree about the Jets. They're a year ahead of us. Drafted their QB and had their spending spree last year. They have a much better defense than us. By the end of the year we were basically starting 3 rookies in the secondary. I feel just like you though. I think this is an extremely important offseason for the franchise and I trust Gettleman to draft well. But we could have north of 80 mil in cap space and that could get ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go_Giants Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, Gmen19851 said: Would agree about the Dolphins. Disagree about the Jets. They're a year ahead of us. Drafted their QB and had their spending spree last year. They have a much better defense than us. By the end of the year we were basically starting 3 rookies in the secondary. I feel just like you though. I think this is an extremely important offseason for the franchise and I trust Gettleman to draft well. But we could have north of 80 mil in cap space and that could get ugly. When your always picking in the top 6, I think would be hard to have a bad draft for the first three rounds. I would prefer if Gettleman was fired just for that trade with the Jets alone. However he did provide us our QB of the future so can't kill the owners for keeping him. I just hope if next season is a failure he then gets fired, three seasons is plenty of time to turn a team into a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Go_Giants said: When your always picking in the top 6, I think would be hard to have a bad draft for the first three rounds. I would prefer if Gettleman was fired just for that trade with the Jets alone. However he did provide us our QB of the future so can't kill the owners for keeping him. I just hope if next season is a failure he then gets fired, three seasons is plenty of time to turn a team into a winner. I just don't understand the logic of these owners and with using Pat as the scapegoat is just wrong. Similar situation to what they did with Coughlin and I'd happily take Reese back with open arms at this point, he at least provided the coach with a roster to work with. I'm just at a loss really...everything points to Gettleman as the issue and he's the one individual they retain. Sick to my stomach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 I mean I expected this after they allowed him to release Jenkins, figured no owner would allow him to do anything if he was on the verge of being fired. So this comes as no surprise, I was just hopeful, but I guess after you allow someone to burn the village down and he did burn it down, that they will be looking for their own scapegoat when it's all said and done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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