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5 minutes ago, Gmen19851 said:

What talent?  Am I missing something?  Landon Collins is one of the most overrated players in the league and the Giants we're absolutely right for letting him walk for that kind of money.  Same thing with snacks, who sure, is a great run stuffer but is due to count 12 million against the cap next year.  

 

And no, the big spending that Reese did didn't work.  Being good for 1 season isn't working.  Reese whiffed on draft after draft and tried to cover it up with big spending.  This is the nfl though and eventually you need depth.  That doesn't happened when you don't have a good draft for 7 years and spending can only hide so much.   

 

Again, I'm not defending Gettleman, I just think the hate has gone a little too far because of the person he is and not the job he has done.  I will say this though.  This is his offseason.  If the team doesn't make significant strides in the next year then its time to go.  

I'll have to disagree with you, when you bring in quality players that make the All-Pro team, I don't see it as a waste. Mcadoo was not the person to lead the team. I do blame Reese for not getting our offensive line fix.  As for the job he has done,  I believed he should have done far better. What do you consider significant strides, going 8-8?

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4 minutes ago, Go_Giants said:

I'll have to disagree with you, when you bring in quality players that make the All-Pro team, I don't see it as a waste. Mcadoo was not the person to lead the team. I do blame Reese for not getting our offensive line fix.  As for the job he has done,  I believed he should have done far better. What do you consider significant strides, going 8-8?

I wouldn't put a record on it, but I would say significant strides would be: Hiring a coach that is the right fit, Daniel Jones making the next step, offensive line imprving to an above average unit, defense improving to an above average unit, playing meaningful football games in December.  Whether that equates to 7-9 or 10-6 it is what it is but that's what I'd look for.  

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15 minutes ago, Gmen19851 said:

Look at drafts from 2011-2017.  Its ugly.  1 first round pick signed a second contract with the team. (Beckham)

I'll give you Prince and Flowers but that is it. Engram is contract is not up yet so can't count him. Not counting David Wilson cause no one saw that injury coming (unlike with Sam Bael). Gettlemen did not want to resign Pugh and he got rid of Apple and Odell.

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25 minutes ago, Gmen19851 said:

Again, I'm not defending Gettleman, I just think the hate has gone a little too far because of the person he is and not the job he has done.  I will say this though.  This is his offseason.  If the team doesn't make significant strides in the next year then its time to go.  

I think the "have patience" has gone on far too long.  I don't understand what you mean by making his person and the job he's done two seperate things.  His person is a reflection of the job he's done or vice versa or to say it differently, idiots do stupid things and he's done a lot of stupid things standing behind reasoning that makes even less sense.

Saying this is "his offseason" as if the other ones weren't?  His past offseasons have cost the team roughly 90 million in dead money without having anything to show for it and he still isn't anywhere closer to fixing the issues with the offensive line or edge rushers. 

We absolutely needed that early 3rd rounder and would have been a prime pick to snag an offensive lineman with it.  But instead the front office is faced with overspending on a defensive end that flashed in one game, just to get a better look at him....just another prime example of an idiot doing something stupid.

   

 

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Well at least he admitted that he was wrong about thinking that this team could win and rebuild at same time. Regardless that’s no excuse of thinking that in the first place. A reasonable person should’ve seen that this team needed rebuilding from get go. 
 

People point to the drafting of Gettleman and how he has drafted/acquired so much young talent yet there is little to show for that on the field. 

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10 hours ago, Kip Smithers said:

Well at least he admitted that he was wrong about thinking that this team could win and rebuild at same time. Regardless that’s no excuse of thinking that in the first place. A reasonable person should’ve seen that this team needed rebuilding from get go. 
 

People point to the drafting of Gettleman and how he has drafted/acquired so much young talent yet there is little to show for that on the field. 

Gettleman does deserve credit for a few things. He has acquired young talent in the draft and his drafts as a whole have been above average. I think a lot of it not showing up on the field is due to player development by the coaches. It is obvious Shurmur was in over his head as a head coach. Bettcher had this defense lacking in basic fundamentals.

I have little problems with his drafting and scouting. It is the other parts of the job that he is lacking in.

Good news though is the Giants seem to have done some successful self-evaluating, at least in my opinion. A head coach with great managerial skills is most important right now, along with hiring great position coaches and coordinators, to teach good fundamentals and get the best out of all these young talented players. By their own admission, that is what they are looking for.

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5 hours ago, minutemancl said:

Gettleman does deserve credit for a few things. He has acquired young talent in the draft and his drafts as a whole have been above average. I think a lot of it not showing up on the field is due to player development by the coaches. It is obvious Shurmur was in over his head as a head coach. Bettcher had this defense lacking in basic fundamentals.

I have little problems with his drafting and scouting. It is the other parts of the job that he is lacking in.

Good news though is the Giants seem to have done some successful self-evaluating, at least in my opinion. A head coach with great managerial skills is most important right now, along with hiring great position coaches and coordinators, to teach good fundamentals and get the best out of all these young talented players. By their own admission, that is what they are looking for.

Who are these abundance of young talented players we have though? We got a young team o know that but i wouldn’t be able to discern which ones are struggling due to coaching and who are struggling because they’re just not as talented as they appear?

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4 hours ago, Kip Smithers said:

Who are these abundance of young talented players we have though? We got a young team o know that but i wouldn’t be able to discern which ones are struggling due to coaching and who are struggling because they’re just not as talented as they appear?

Young guys I would say that Gettleman brought in that can be contributors are: Barkely, Hernandez, Bj Hill, Lorenzo Carter, Daniel Jones, Dexter Lawerence, Deandre Baker, Julian Love, Ryan Connelly and Darius Slayton.  I'd also say that I think both Oshane Ximenes and Corey Ballentine can potentially contribute at the next level.  

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On 1/2/2020 at 6:53 PM, Gmen19851 said:

Look at drafts from 2011-2017.  Its ugly.  1 first round pick signed a second contract with the team. (Beckham)

Why stop at 2011, Reese was the GM starting back in 2007.  Rarely are you going to have a draft that hits with every pick, but I think Reese in large part was decent at finding talent.  Even if they didn't develop into pro bowlers, they had their moments...Like Jay Alford getting the sack on Brady in the super bowl.  I wouldn't call his draft history ugly he drafted us some really good players.  

Year Rnd Pick Player Pos
2007 1 20 Aaron Ross DB
2007 2 51 Steve Smith WR
2007 3 81 Jay Alford DT
2007 4 116 Zak DeOssie LB
2007 5 153 Kevin Boss TE
2007 6 189 Adam Koets T
2007 7 224 Michael Johnson DB
2007 7 250 Ahmad Bradshaw RB
2008 1 31 Kenny Phillips DB
2008 2 63 Terrell Thomas DB
2008 3 95 Mario Manningham WR
2008 4 123 Bryan Kehl LB
2008 5 165 Jonathan Goff LB
2008 6 198 Andre Woodson QB
2008 6 199 Robert Henderson DE
2009 1 29 Hakeem Nicks WR
2009 2 45 Clint Sintim LB
2009 2 60 Will Beatty T
2009 3 85 Ramses Barden WR
2009 3 100 Travis Beckum TE
2009 4 129 Andre Brown RB
2009 5 151 Rhett Bomar QB
2009 6 200 DeAndre Wright DB
2009 7 238 Stoney Woodson DB
2010 1 15 Jason Pierre-Paul DE
2010 2 46 Linval Joseph DT
2010 3 76 Chad Jones DB
2010 4 115 Phillip Dillard LB
2010 5 147 Mitch Petrus G
2010 6 184 Adrian Tracy DE
2010 7 221 Matt Dodge P
2011 1 19 Prince Amukamara DB
2011 2 52 Marvin Austin DT
2011 3 83 Jerrel Jernigan WR
2011 4 117 James Brewer T
2011 6 185 Greg Jones LB
2011 6 198 Tyler Sash DB
2011 6 202 Jacquian Williams LB
2011 7 221 Da'Rel Scott RB
2012 1 32 David Wilson RB
2012 2 63 Rueben Randle WR
2012 3 94 Jayron Hosley DB
2012 4 127 Adrien Robinson TE
2012 4 131 Brandon Mosley T
2012 6 201 Matt McCants T
2012 7 239 Markus Kuhn DT
2013 1 19 Justin Pugh T
2013 2 49 Johnathan Hankins DT
2013 3 81 Damontre Moore DE
2013 4 110 Ryan Nassib QB
2013 5 152 Cooper Taylor DB
2013 7 225 Eric Herman OL
2013 7 253 Michael Cox RB
2014 1 12 Odell Beckham WR
2014 2 43 Weston Richburg OL
2014 3 74 Jay Bromley DT
2014 4 113 Andre Williams RB
2014 5 152 Nat Berhe DB
2014 5 174 Devon Kennard DE
2014 6 187 Bennett Jackson DB
2015 1 9 Ereck Flowers T
2015 2 33 Landon Collins S
2015 3 74 Owamagbe Odighizuwa DE
2015 5 144 Mykkele Thompson S
2015 6 186 Geremy Davis WR
2015 7 226 Bobby Hart G
2016 1 10 Eli Apple CB
2016 2 40 Sterling Shepard WR
2016 3 71 Darian Thompson S
2016 4 109 B.J. Goodson OLB
2016 5 149 Paul Perkins RB
2016 6 184 Jerell Adams TE
2017 1 23 Evan Engram TE
2017 2 55 Dalvin Tomlinson DT
2017 3 87 Davis Webb QB
2017 4 140 Wayne Gallman RB
2017 5 167 Avery Moss DE
2017 6 200 Adam Bisnowaty T
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On 12/30/2019 at 12:52 AM, ny92mike said:

Good or bad this is what he's done since joining the Giants.

Data collected from spotrac

2018 transactions

Dead Money

2018 Dead Cap   $43,897,862
PLAYER (57) POS. CAP HIT
Jason Pierre-Paul DE $15,000,000
Damon Harrison DT $5,041,176
Ereck Flowers RT $4,579,184
Eli Apple CB $3,057,460
John Jerry G $2,550,000
Patrick Omameh G $2,500,000
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB $2,000,000
Dwayne Harris WR $1,600,000
Ray-Ray Armstrong OLB $1,125,000
Brandon Marshall WR $1,000,000
Brad Wing P $1,000,000
William Gay CB $720,000
Mike Jordan CB $296,472
Darian Thompson FS $234,284
Davis Webb QB $216,605
Donte Deayon S $195,882
Avery Moss DE $192,892
Owamagbe Odighizuwa DE $185,125
Stacy Coley WR $175,292
Garrett Dickerson TE $173,741
Kaelin Clay WR $148,235
Robert Martin RB $129,200
Victor Salako T $129,200
Grant Haley CB $128,933
Alonzo Russell WR $121,600
Adam Bisnowaty T $109,899
Shane Smith FB $101,275
Jylan Ware T $98,800
Thurston Armbrister OLB $92,472
Mark Herzlich OLB $90,000
Quadree Henderson WR $84,705
Myles Humphrey DE $83,600
Ronald Zamort CB $83,600
A.J. Howard S $76,000
Teddy Williams CB $75,000
Jhurrell Pressley RB $68,400
Mykkele Thompson FS $57,216
Adam Gettis G $50,000
Ukeme Eligwe ILB $45,600
Hakeem Valles TE $38,000
Jerell Adams TE $35,713
Brian Mihalik T $30,400
Jawill Davis WR $28,200
Woodrow Hamilton DT $22,800
Kenny Ladler SS $22,800
Bobby Hart RT $17,899
Brock Miller P $15,200
Calvin Munson ILB $10,933
Josh Banks DT $8,433
Corey Coleman WR $7,600
Amba Etta-Tawo WR $7,600
Marshall Koehn K $7,600
Jessamen Dunker T $6,667
Travis Rudolph WR $6,667
Roger Lewis WR $6,168
Romeo Okwara DE $5,000
Evan Schwan DE $3,334

Free Agency

Aug 4 2018
Leonard Johnson, CB
Signed a 1 year $915,000 contract with New York (NYG)
Jul 23 2018
Connor Barwin, OLB
Signed a 2 year $3.5 million contract with New York (NYG)
Jul 12 2018
Zac Kerin, C
Signed a 1 year $630,000 contract with New York (NYG)
Jun 12 2018
Scott Simonson, TE
Signed a contract with New York (NYG)
May 21 2018
Russell Shepard, WR
Signed a 1 year $1.25 million contract with New York (NYG)
Apr 4 2018
William Gay, CB
Signed a contract with New York (NYG)
Apr 4 2018
William Gay, CB
Signed a 1 year $1.105 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 26 2018
Michael Thomas, FS
Signed a 2 year $4 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 19 2018
B.W. Webb, CB
Signed a 1 year $815,000 contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 19 2018
Cody Latimer, WR
Signed a 1 year $2.5 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 19 2018
Kerry Wynn, DE
Signed a 1 year $1.25 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 19 2018
Josh Mauro, DT
Signed a 1 year $880,000 contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 16 2018
Curtis Riley, FS
Signed a 1 year $630,000 contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 15 2018
Patrick Omameh, RT
Signed a 3 year $15 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 14 2018
Teddy Williams, CB
Signed a 1 year $880,000 contract with New York (NYG)

Restructured

  • Janoris Jenkins, CB
    • Converted $4.5M of salary into bonus. clearing $3M of cap space with New York (NYG)
  • John Jerry, G
    • Reduced his 2018 salary from $3.05M to $1.075M, adding a $400,000 roster bonus, and $500,000 in per-game active bonuses, clearing $525,000 in space with New York (NYG)
  • Alec Ogletree, ILB
    • Converted his $7M roster bonus into signing bonus, clearing $5.25M in cap for New York (NYG)

Drafted

Round 1 (#2overall) Saquon Barkley, RB
Round 2 (#34overall) Will Hernandez, G
Round 3 (#66overall) Lorenzo Carter, DE
Round 3 (#69overall) B.J. Hill, DT
Round 4 (#108overall) Kyle Lauletta, QB
Round 4 (#139overall) R.J. McIntosh, DE

Trades

  • Oct 24 2018
    • Detroit Lions DETROIT ACQUIRES
      • Damon Harrison (DT) ($4,558,823)
    • Detroit Lions NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • 2019 5th round pick
        • (#142 - traded)
  • Oct 23 2018
    • New Orleans Saints NEW ORLEANS ACQUIRES
      • Eli Apple (CB) ($1,074,990)
    • New Orleans Saints NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • 2020 7th round pick
        2019 4th round pick
        • (#132 - traded)
  • Aug 26 2018
    • Minnesota Vikings MINNESOTA ACQUIRES
      • Brett Jones (C) ($2,914,000)
    • Minnesota Vikings NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • 2019 7th round pick
        • (#232 George Asafo-adjei, T)
  • Apr 21 2018
    • Denver Broncos DENVER ACQUIRES
      • 2019 7th round pick
        • (#220 - traded)
      • Denver Broncos NEW YORK ACQUIRES
        • Riley Dixon (P) ($630,000)
  • Mar 22 2018
    • New York Giants NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • 2018 3rd round pick
        • (#69 B.J. Hill, DT)
      • 2018 4th round pick
        • (#108 Kyle Lauletta, QB)
      • New York Giants TAMPA BAY ACQUIRES
        • Jason Pierre-Paul (DE) ($12,500,000)
        • 2018 4th round pick
          • (#102 - traded)
  • Mar 7 2018
    • New York Giants NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • Alec Ogletree (ILB) ($10,000,000)
        • 2019 7th round pick
          • (#245 Chris Slayton, DT)
    • New York Giants LOS ANGELES ACQUIRES
      • 2018 4th round pick
        • (#135 John Franklin-Myers, DE)
      • 2018 6th round pick
        • (#176 John Kelly, RB)

 

2019 transactions

Dead Money

2019 Dead Cap   $54,796,416
PLAYER (60) POS. CAP HIT
Odell Beckham, Jr. WR $16,000,000
Janoris Jenkins CB $13,555,882
Olivier Vernon OLB $8,000,000
Damon Harrison DT $3,200,000
Patrick Omameh G $3,000,000
Eli Apple CB $2,304,968
Alex Tanney QB $1,112,500
Bennie Fowler WR $1,019,117
Olsen Pierre DE $934,375
Eric Tomlinson TE $720,000
Davis Webb QB $383,210
Connor Barwin OLB $365,000
Nathan Stupar OLB $338,824
Sean Chandler S $337,097
Tae Davis LB $269,898
Garrett Dickerson TE $234,705
Darian Thompson FS $209,284
Tuzar Skipper DE $206,705
Kyle Lauletta QB $176,924
Keion Adams OLB $155,645
Paul Perkins RB $147,843
Chris Slayton DT $146,893
B.J. Goodson ILB $145,554
TJ Jones WR $142,058
Scott Simonson TE $137,352
Josiah Tauaefa LB $132,000
Evan Brown C $128,450
Avery Moss DE $127,384
David Sills WR $120,000
Jonathan Hilliman RB $116,353
Rod Smith RB $114,000
Reggie White Jr WR $81,666
Freedom Akinmoladun DE $80,000
Corn Elder CB $80,000
Jake Carlock CB $66,500
Da'Mari Scott WR $64,000
Tony Lippett CB $60,000
Chad Wheeler T $44,609
Jerell Adams TE $35,716
James O'Hagan C $31,666
Austin Walter RB $30,000
Alex Wesley WR $27,235
Jonathan Anderson ILB $26,353
Devante Downs ILB $24,000
Brittan Golden WR $24,000
Sean Smith P $24,000
Victor Salako T $22,235
C.J. Conrad TE $19,333
Rashaan Gaulden S $16,000
Colin Holba LS $16,000
John Jenkins DE $15,000
Jeremiah Harris LB $13,333
Calvin Munson ILB $3,334
Paul Adams T $3,333
Ronald Zamort CB $2,750
Eric Dungey QB $1,666
Josh Banks DT $834
Alex Jenkins DE $500
Tenny Adewusi S $166
Ryan Anderson P $166

Restructured

  • Rhett Ellison, TE
    • Converted $1.87M of 2019 salary into bonus, clearing $938,382 of cap space with New York (NYG)
  • Nate Solder, LT
    • Converted $7.5M of 2019 salary into bonus, clearing $5M of cap space for New York (NYG)

Free Agency

Oct 22 2019
Deone Bucannon, ILB
Signed a contract with New York (NYG)
Oct 12 2019
Javorius Allen, RB
Signed a contract with New York (NYG)
Sep 2 2019
David Mayo, ILB
Signed a contract with New York (NYG)
Sep 1 2019
Eric Tomlinson, TE
Signed a contract with New York (NYG)
July 27 2019
TJ Jones, WR
Signed a 1 year $805,000 contract with New York (NYG)
May 13 2019
John Jenkins, DE
Signed a 1 year $845,000 contract with New York (NYG)
May 12 2019
Mike Remmers, RT
Signed a 1 year $2.5 million contract with New York (NYG)
May 8 2019
Rod Smith, RB
Signed a 1 year $805,000 contract with New York (NYG)
Apr 10 2019
Russell Shepard, WR
Signed a 1 year $1.5 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 20 2019
Nathan Stupar, OLB
Signed a 1 year $895,000 contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 19 2019
Bennie Fowler, WR
Signed a 1 year $895,000 contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 18 2019
Cody Latimer, WR
Signed a 1 year $1.5 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 15 2019
Olsen Pierre, DE
Signed a 1 year $1 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 14 2019
Markus Golden, OLB
Signed a 1 year $3.75 million contract with New York (NYG)
Mar 14 2019
Golden Tate, WR
Signed a 4 year $37.5 million contract with New York (NYG)

Drafted

Round 1 (#6overall) Daniel Jones, QB
Round 1 (#17overall) Dexter Lawrence, DE
Round 1 (#30overall) Deandre Baker, CB
Round 3 (#95overall) Oshane Ximines, OLB
Round 4 (#108overall) Julian Love, CB
Round 5 (#143overall) Ryan Connelly, LB
Round 5 (#171overall) Darius Slayton, WR
Round 6 (#180overall) Corey Ballentine, CB
Round 7 (#232overall) George Asafo-adjei, T
Round 7 (#245overall) Chris Slayton, DT

Trades

  • Oct 28 2019
    • New York Giants NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • Leonard Williams (DE) ($7,517,648)
      • $4M cash
    • New York Giants NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • 2020 3rd round pick
      • 2021 5th round pick
  • Sep 2 2019
    • Green Bay Packers GREEN BAY ACQUIRES
      • B.J. Goodson (ILB) ($720,000)
      • 2020 7th round pick
    • Green Bay Packers NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • 2020 7th round pick
  • Mar 13 2019
    • Cleveland Browns CLEVELAND ACQUIRES
      • Odell Beckham, Jr. (WR) ($17,000,000)
      • Olivier Vernon (OLB) ($15,500,000)
    • Cleveland Browns NEW YORK ACQUIRES
      • Jabrill Peppers (S) ($1,405,181)
      • Kevin Zeitler (G) ($10,000,000)
      • 2019 1st round pick
        • (#17 Dexter Lawrence, DE)
      • 2019 3rd round pick
        • (#95 Oshane Ximines, OLB)

Remember this thread...haha.

 

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You guys remember Adrien Robinson? Lmao

 

ive never seen a player get so highly touted by a fan base for just existing on a team. It’s like we all thought he was the next great out of no where TE for no reason

 

THE JPP OF TE’s 

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