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4 minutes ago, beardown3231 said:

He inherited a Pro Bowl G and a decent LT. He invested two 2's in the other two spots and spent a bit on the RT. Knowing the aging and rather bad roster he had to play with when he got here thanks to Emery, what else did you want him to do?

Have a backup plan for that Pro Bowl G who has rapidly declined and has missed significant time on IR over the last few seasons? Find an OT who is an above-average starter in the NFL? Draft some young developmental players for depth?

Any of those would be nice.

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33 minutes ago, abstract_thought said:

Have a backup plan for that Pro Bowl G who has rapidly declined and has missed significant time on IR over the last few seasons? Find an OT who is an above-average starter in the NFL? Draft some young developmental players for depth?

Any of those would be nice.

Massie and Leno WERE above average 12 months ago. They declined. No one could've anticipated their regression to this extent. He also did sign Lucas who ended up playing well, which is exactly what you're asking for.

Coward, by many fans and the organization, was somewhat highly regarded. He was the back-up plan for Long. Larsen, an average veteran, was Coward's back-up plan. They signed Bars as a UDFA and by most draftniks he was a good prospect minus the knee injury.

You cannot address every need every offseason + last offseason these positions weren't "needs."

Pace is an absolute moron but to bash him for this seems odd. He did everything you're asking.

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2 hours ago, beardown3231 said:

Massie and Leno WERE above average 12 months ago. They declined. No one could've anticipated their regression to this extent. He also did sign Lucas who ended up playing well, which is exactly what you're asking for.

Coward, by many fans and the organization, was somewhat highly regarded. He was the back-up plan for Long. Larsen, an average veteran, was Coward's back-up plan. They signed Bars as a UDFA and by most draftniks he was a good prospect minus the knee injury.

You cannot address every need every offseason + last offseason these positions weren't "needs."

Pace is an absolute moron but to bash him for this seems odd. He did everything you're asking.

Not sure I agree with all of this. Massie had a solid year but he's been very questionable throughout his time with the Bears. Guys like Coward, Bars, and Lucas were undrafted and literally the cheapest options you could possibly find to fill out the roster.

Pace has drafted 5 OL and 1 OT during his tenure in Chicago. He's drafted 5 RB, 5 WR, and 7 DB.

You severely limit your ability to address needs when you consistently trade away draft picks and make luxury picks. The OL depth was a question even before the season started. It was an obvious issue.

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2 hours ago, beardown3231 said:

Massie and Leno WERE above average 12 months ago. They declined. No one could've anticipated their regression to this extent. He also did sign Lucas who ended up playing well, which is exactly what you're asking for.

Coward, by many fans and the organization, was somewhat highly regarded. He was the back-up plan for Long. Larsen, an average veteran, was Coward's back-up plan. They signed Bars as a UDFA and by most draftniks he was a good prospect minus the knee injury.

You cannot address every need every offseason + last offseason these positions weren't "needs."

Pace is an absolute moron but to bash him for this seems odd. He did everything you're asking.

Massie for 7/8 years he was below average.

Maybe we should have seen it coming?

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12 minutes ago, WindyCity said:

Massie for 7/8 years he was below average.

Maybe we should have seen it coming?

And yet when they extended him in January, you just like many others were probably thrilled.

Can't have it both ways. Leno went from good to bad. Massie got hurt. Daniels went from decent to bad. How can anyone have seen THAT coming?

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3 minutes ago, beardown3231 said:

And yet when they extended him in January, you just like many others were probably thrilled.

Can't have it both ways. Leno went from good to bad. Massie got hurt. Daniels went from decent to bad. How can anyone have seen THAT coming?

I am not saying signing Massie was a mistake, there is limited options. But we probably should have had a young OT sitting in the wings as insurance. Massie also sucked before he was hurt.

Daniels issues were coaching and that idiotic position switch.

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Leno has had some decent years, and has been an average to slightly above average OT most of his career.

Massie has been awful some in his career, but was decent last year.

Whitehair and Daniels were mostly real good last year.  Daniels had some assignment mistakes, but was real good fundamentally. 

Long didn't play much last year did he?  Wasn't he hurt fairly early on?  I think he did average when he was in there last season, but he has been regressing for a long time now.  A lot of people had a lot of stats saying run game was good when he was on field, but eye test just said meh.  

They weren't great last year, but certainly weren't a major theme of failure.  

This year, they were awful.  Just awful.

Leno way worse and highly penalized, Massie worse, White was worse, Daniels way worse to point he was a liability and Long had nothing to give.  You could make a really bad highlight tape of his play in 2019 that would last quite a while.  

I think the thing that sunk Heistand was Daniels.  This was guy a lot of people who know O line play were saying was destined for stardom.  And he came out and stunk it up. 

Bears media and twitter is saying it was position change, but Daniels sucked at guard too.  He just sucked.  

Daniels was 20 and turned 21 last year.  He should have been better this year just from becoming boy to man.  Was it Heistand's fault?  Was any of decline Heistand's fault?  

Kreutz is on twitter saying Heistand is best in business and he doesn't get it.  He says people saying assignment mistakes can't say that because you don't know assignment.  Okay ... but when 2 guys block 1 guy whole time and guy right behind them or next to them is unblocked for easy tackle for no gain it doesn't take a professional o line coach to know that it isn't drawn up that way.  Something isn't right.  Kreutz can try to sell that excuse to someone else.  

I think when you have bad technique and assignment mistakes you have to look at coach.  Daniels was one of most fundamentally sound blocking rookies I have ever seen in 2018.  This year it looked like he had never played the position before.  That is quite a fundamental regression in a short time.  Hard not to look at coach when that happens.   

But we don't know what is happening off the field.  Leno seems to have concentrated on his romantic life in offseason.  Whitehair had his first baby.  Daniels went back to school to take classes and graduate.  Long has had 9 million surgeries and those add up.  

Were those factors?  Who knows.  You can only speculate. 

 

 

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, beardown3231 said:

And yet when they extended him in January, you just like many others were probably thrilled.

Can't have it both ways. Leno went from good to bad. Massie got hurt. Daniels went from decent to bad. How can anyone have seen THAT coming?

I was fine with the contract at the time; we were getting an average tackle signed for less than average money.  Same with Leno contract. Issue is they played badly on an individual level and as a unit. 

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46 minutes ago, Nads786 said:

He called the Mark H firing weeks before it happened. I think he has legit sources. 

And the Castillo hiring. He also had the Hiestand hiring a few hours before it was announced.

 

50 minutes ago, G08 said:

First he said it's Kafka, now he's saying it might be nobody? Give me a break...

Did he say Kafka as an OC or just they might be hiring Kafka? Truly, I'm asking.

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20 hours ago, beardown3231 said:

And the Castillo hiring. He also had the Hiestand hiring a few hours before it was announced.

 

Did he say Kafka as an OC or just they might be hiring Kafka? Truly, I'm asking.

He said Kafka as OC shortly after Castillo was hired.

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The factor here is that Kafka might be/have been the guy Nagy WANTED.... but rumors are that potential OCs don't really like the look of chicago job.....

 

Can't really blame them either... even if you're the "OC" Nagy is going to call plays over you, and is already on the hotseat and could be fired (likely getting most of his staff also canned) if we suck again next year. That's a terrible situation to come into on its own... then you notice we don't have a QB, TEs, or OL, only 1 really dependable receiver in ARob.... 

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