Hukos Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I don't mean a position group or unit, I mean an entire side of the football. Everyone on either offense or defense is a bust. Who are these teams and more importantly, why is it so difficult for them to hit on that side of the ball? And I mean specifically the why's - is there some systemic reason for the failures on that side of the ball? There isn't a strict, legal line for how many failures is required to qualify for this topic so... I'll just say, use your common sense. 1-2 random gems in the draft doesn't outweigh the damage of 6-8 busts, etc. I'm at the point where I feel like my team, the Falcons, literally cannot draft anyone good on defense outside of weird outliers like Grady Jarrett. Vic Beasley busted, Takk has not looked impressive on his rookie contract, Isiah Oliver is looking like he's going to be a bust if he doesn't pick it up next year, Keanu Neal has talent but might end up being cut due to injuries so maybe that qualifies as a bust? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Beasley’s 2016 season was so overrated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Besides the offensive line, we're pretty bad at drafting on offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Steelers suck at drafting DBs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hukos Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 5 hours ago, CP3MVP said: Beasley’s 2016 season was so overrated I was calling it overrated at the time and I got called a hater by my own fanbase . Here's the deal with Beasley - he would likely flourish as a 3-4 outside linebacker, where he can mostly play in coverage and seldom rush the passer when the opportunity arises. He's a complete mismatch in Quinn's 4-3-Under scheme. Beasley's pretty decent at covering people, although not elite, but he's better at it than you would expect. His only pass rush move is a speed rush, which is why Quinn constantly has him in coverage instead of rushing him - he's not that good at rushing. However, the Falcons don't have the tools to run a 3-4 defense (we don't really have the tools to run any defense, if I'm being honest) and I think switching to one specifically to help Vic out would be a huge mistake. Just let him go and take some other team's money. In 2016, other guys were getting pressures, which enabled Vic Beasley to feast on weaker tackles in the NFL. In essence, Vic was a cleanup guy, he wasn't the one generating pressures to get to the QB. The fact that Vic completely disappeared in a lot of games in 2016 should have been a giant red flag to people, but I guess not. Vic was producing because everyone else was producing, and everyone else was getting pressures because of how insanely good that offense was (you had to be aggressive just to keep up). When the offense had it's regression in 2017, naturally the pass rush took an expected regression as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Is it fair to say the Browns, QB? I mean to be 100% fair that may have changed with Mayfield, we dont know yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamblinMan99 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Elky said: Besides the offensive line, we're pretty bad at drafting on offense. You people have to look to the free agency for almost everything. Not just the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamblinMan99 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Cincinnati has terrible luck with offensive lineman. All their lineman taken in the first round in recent years have either been benched, released, or injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 The Ravens are so bad at drafting WR's that the guy with the most receiving yards in a single season after being drafted by Baltimore is currently the starting TE for the Oakland Raiders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 30 minutes ago, RamblinMan99 said: You people have to look to the free agency for almost everything. Not just the offense. Tom Brady James Develin* Sony Michel James White Brandon Bolden Isaiah Wynn Joe Thuney David Andrew* Ted Karras Shaq Mason Marcus Cannon Rob Gronkowski* Ben Watson Julian Edelman N'Keal Harry Jakobi Meyers That's pretty much the entire starting offense, a majority of which won a Super Bowl in the last year, drafted or signed as an UDFA by the Patriots. That's just the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamblinMan99 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, DoleINGout said: Tom Brady James Develin* Sony Michel James White Brandon Bolden Isaiah Wynn Joe Thuney David Andrew* Ted Karras Shaq Mason Marcus Cannon Rob Gronkowski* Ben Watson Julian Edelman N'Keal Harry Jakobi Meyers That's pretty much the entire starting offense, a majority of which won a Super Bowl in the last year, drafted or signed as an UDFA by the Patriots. That's just the offense. With exception to the O-line (and obviously Brady, Gronk, and Edelman), a lot of those players aren't that good compared to the players New England grabbed from the free agency over the years. Wes Welker, Danny Amendola, and Chris Hogan were all better than Jakobi Meyers, N'Keal Harry, and Ben Watson. Not to mention that Mohommad Sanu was the latest big grab for them from the free agency. LaGarrette Blount and Dion Lewis were both much, much better RBs than Sony Michel and James White. New England has gained most of their talent from free agent signings. They have little to no talent in the NFL Draft. And, the Super Bowl last year was largely attributed to Jared Goff's terrible performance, yet Brady didn't play all that well either. That's why Belichick basically won that game by running the clock down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hukos Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 30 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: The Ravens are so bad at drafting WR's that the guy with the most receiving yards in a single season after being drafted by Baltimore is currently the starting TE for the Oakland Raiders. We can pull UDFA's off the streets and they can look competent in Atlanta (a UDFA WR had a 93 yard TD for us this year)... meanwhile - good luck getting us to find any pass rushers or guys that can cover even if we dump constant first round picks into them. I've always low-key envied Baltimore's ability to find great defenders anywhere. I just find it interesting that some teams struggle at finding certain types of guys, but excel at others. You'd think if you can find one type of guy, finding others wouldn't be that impossible, would it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATcha Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Until recently, Saints and drafting the defensive side of the ball. Apparently having league worst defenses is Super Drew's kryptonite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, RamblinMan99 said: With exception to the O-line (and obviously Brady, Gronk, and Edelman), a lot of those players aren't that good compared to the players New England grabbed from the free agency over the years. The offensive line is half of the offense. That a lot to just poo-poo. The Patriots under Belichick have also drafted Deion Branch, David Givens, Aaron Hernandez, Daniel Graham, Malcolm Mitchell, and inserted various runningbacks into their lineup with high degrees of success. No need to draft a QB during that time yet they were able to turn Matt Cassel, Jacoby Brissett, and Jimmy Garoppolo into assets. A lot of those players are as good or better than any free agents the Pats have added via free agency or trade. 1 hour ago, RamblinMan99 said: Wes Welker, Danny Amendola, and Chris Hogan were all better than Jakobi Meyers, N'Keal Harry, and Ben Watson. Not to mention that Mohommad Sanu was the latest big grab for them from the free agency. Amendola was an injury-riddled and thus unreliable, overpaid playoff-only performer. Chris Hogan was unproductive with the Bills beforehand and the Panthers after. Even in his final season with the Patriots, Hogan did nothing. Wes Welker was traded for. N'Keal Harry and Jakobi Meyers are rookies so it remains to be seen how much more they will produce. Ben Watson is a journeyman now but has had many productive seasons. The Sanu trade was a disaster at the time I felt and it looks that way now more than ever. Not a big grab, more like a big waste. 1 hour ago, RamblinMan99 said: LaGarrette Blount and Dion Lewis were both much, much better RBs than Sony Michel and James White. Blount and Lewis are not, "much, much better," than White and Michel. That is hilarious. Lewis could barely stay on the field and Blount was a short-yardage back who chewed up the soft Colts defense on the big stage repeatedly. Both of those backs benefited from superior blocking tight ends and all-around more consistent offensive play than Michel in particular. James White is one of the best third down backs ever. 1 hour ago, RamblinMan99 said: New England has gained most of their talent from free agent signings. They have little to no talent in the NFL Draft. False. False. 1 hour ago, RamblinMan99 said: And, the Super Bowl last year was largely attributed to Jared Goff's terrible performance, yet Brady didn't play all that well either. That's why Belichick basically won that game by running the clock down. The Patriots performed poorly offensively in the Super Bowl overall, as did the field goal unit. However they dominated leading up to the big game and many of the aforementioned players have been apart of more than just that one run, (White/Brady/Develin/Thuney/Andrews/Mason/Cannon/Grobkowski/Watson/Edelman). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructo Spin Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Are these teams really bad at drafting on that particular side of the ball, or are they bad at developing talent and schemes to suit their personnel? My guess would be the latter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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