Elky Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) They've tried an ownership change and that didn't resolve anything; if anything it made it worse. It seems like no GM/HC can right the ship. Practically all of their first round picks bust. Is there something in the walls that causes this dysfunction? Edited January 2, 2020 by Elky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Doesn’t seem like they can actually attract good head coach candidates. Definitely not viewed as a top job in most seasons so they are stuck with underqualified candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YogiBiz Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Browns Ownership: Looks at past few drafts under Dorsey. Sees they finally made some picks that aren't complete busts. "We should probably fire this guy, right?" 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistakey Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Haslams. full stop. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 impatient owner 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttitansfan4life Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 It always starts at the top... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, YogiBiz said: Browns Ownership: Looks at past few drafts under Dorsey. Sees they finally made some picks that aren't complete busts. "We should probably fire this guy, right?" From what I've heard they wanted to demote him and he said screw that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YogiBiz Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Elky said: From what I've heard they wanted to demote him and he said screw that. If that is true, they aren't getting another experienced GM for a long time. Who would want that job? The first guy that did a average job for the Browns was given an ultimatum of get demoted/you're out the door. Like who in their right minds would even want to attempt and right this ship? As much as I say, OBJ wanted out/Gettleman had to trade him cause of ownership, the Giants' got fleeced. OBJ when he is rolling is arguably the best wideout in football. Yeah Zeitler is one of the best pass blocking guards in the league, Peppers looks like a long time starter (if he stays healthy), and Lawrence looks legit, but that isn't enough IMO. The fact he tried to justify after saying "Peppers was a former first round pick, so it's like we got to Firsts," tells you everything you need to know about who won that trade. EDIT: The Giants even had to lump the trade with the Vernon trade to make it look better. Giants' got fleeced for one of the best players in the league. Edited January 2, 2020 by YogiBiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Their stadium is built in a Indian burial site Like the Dolphins stadium. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YogiBiz Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, ITS_RAMMY_PLAYBOI said: Their stadium is built in a Indian burial site Like the Dolphins stadium. Only logical conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckoz24 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Brett Kollman did a pretty good job running through why Mayfield has done so poorly on YouTube. Came back to poor head coaching for first 2/3 of the season and find out where he thrives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 26 minutes ago, mistakey said: Haslams. full stop. Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, ckoz24 said: Brett Kollman did a pretty good job running through why Mayfield has done so poorly on YouTube. Came back to poor head coaching for first 2/3 of the season and find out where he thrives. What about the previous 15 years ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Ownership. Either that or our stadium is built on top of an Indian burial ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) It starts with ownership. You have a bad owner who has shown to have no patience with anyone. That leads you to not getting good candidates, and even if you do, if they show ANY signs of something negative, you fire them (John Dorsey, Sashi Brown). That leads you to getting even worse candidates. The Browns had some pieces in place but with the firing of Dorsey, they've really set themselves right back into the abyss. No competent GM will want to work there, and no coach worth his salt will want to get hired there because they all know how it'll end. 23 minutes ago, Hunter2_1 said: What about the previous 15 years ? Most of the previous 15 years you can blame on simply poor drafting, especially in the 1st round and especially at the QB position. However, more recently they've started hitting on those picks and so the focus turns less to drafting and the GM, and more on the coaches they've hired. Kitchens was hand-picked by Dorsey to make Baker Mayfield happy and feel comfortable. Turns out, that was a HORRIBLE choice and it cost Dorsey his job. Even with all of that, you can't absolve Baker Mayfield of blame. His play speaks for itself this year, he was objectively a bottom-3 starting QB in the NFL in a system with Nick Chubb, OBJ and Jarvis Landry. That's very impressive, in the worst possible way. Edited January 2, 2020 by AFlaccoSeagulls 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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