Poll: MM a good choice as next Dallas Cowboy Head Coach?

[Norm]

5 minutes ago, Norm said:

 

Also, carries are so deceptive lol

[AlexGreen#20]

45 minutes ago, Gopher Trace said:

 Oh lol the revisionism is in full-swing. ~Nuh-uh, he DID run Jones lots akshully!

Yeah, that may fool other short-memory fans but it ain't fooling me. You can hide behind deceptive stats all you want but we who were watching all observed the same thing. It was NOT the same.

And I vividly remember the apologia for his refusal to feature Jones. His defenders (who re-branded themselves as "McCarthy moderates" after he was fired and they all had egg on their faces) acknowledged that refusal and defended it with hE's ToO sMaLl tO cArRy ThE lOaD!!!

That was the refrain. It was said several times. The ones who said this know who they are.

1. Nobody in this thread has argued that he used Jones a ton. That's a straw man argument.

2. The point refuted was that McCarthy choose to ride Montgomery over Jones. That's just flat not true. It never happened.

3. The idea that rushing attempts and snaps played are somehow deceptive is a point that I can't wrap my head around. What makes them "deceptive"

4. Was there anyone who wasn't advocating for McCarthy to be fired by the end? I think we were all to the point where we needed to do something different.

5. The argument that the "McCarthy Moderates" made was that McCarthy's offense wasn't the reason for the struggles. That we were struggling due to the QB play and the overall talent level of the offense. 

Well, new coach, new system, exact same results. If anything the McCarthy Moderates were vindicated. LaFleur's been lucky he's been able to ride a McCarthy Defensive Coordinator to a strong record.

6. Riding Aaron Jones hasn't lead to a more effective offense than what McCarthy was running here.

 

[pacman5252]

I don’t think MM is a big enough personality to productively clash with Jerry when it’s necessary. He’d be another Wade Phillips

[Gopher Trace]

12 minutes ago, Norm said:

Lol.

Those few that reveled in the fact he wasn't hired last year because it made them feel like they were right about everything when he really seems to have just wanted a year away are awfully quiet.

Or "he still sucks, he's just selling that he changed" and if he does come back and looks like a good coach, "oh he finally stopped running iso routes blah blah blah."

He's not an elite coach but he isn't bad either. You could do a lot worse. But people are so dug in that he cost us eleventy super bowls

hoo boy, so much to unpack here... 'never said he cost us SBs, just telling it like it is, which clearly is too much for his fanboys to hear.

"just wanted a year away" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Do you honestly believe that or are you trying to pull the wool over people's eyes? Some other McC*rthy fanboy here said -- last year -- that actually, he could have been coaching for the Browns but was told Kitchens had to be the OC and he did not agree to that.

Enough with the revisionist history, let's get with the facts:
1) He interviewed (with two different teams: NYJ and CLE -- where CLE had a FO that was already very familiar with him).
2) He did not get hired.

That's it. That's all we know, no further. Frankly, I can live with "He didn't get hired, and we don't know why not." I think I know why but I am perfectly able to admit I do not know for sure.

The ones who can't live with that are his FANBOYS because deep down they realize what the most likely explanation for that is, no matter how much they try to kid themselves. I mean you were in here on Page 1 with a "hilarious" post to ridicule any negativity against the guy before anyone even did that. Such insecurity, smh.

[Norm]

27 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

If anything the McCarthy Moderates were vindicated.

This.....

I know our record is good but IDK how those who thought MM was the whole problem on offense now think they were geniuses after the way the offense was overall this year.

[Gopher Trace]

As for being 'awfully quiet' ... well yeah, what is there to say? Should I have rubbed it into people's faces? I don't feel the need to convince others of anything like his fanboys do. The whole ordeal was vindication enough.

Him getting hired again does not really threaten my stance; I actually expected that to happen last year and was surprised it didn't. After all, the NFL has long proven that they value familiarity over competence. Meritocracy in our world is a myth and the NFL exemplifies it as well as any other industry. So I fully expect(ed) it.

I was not looking forward or planning to laugh about it if he gets passed up again, but NOW I ****in will.

[Norm]

1 minute ago, Gopher Trace said:

hoo boy, so much to unpack here... 'never said he cost us SBs, just telling it like it is, which clearly is too much for his fanboys to hear.

"just wanted a year away" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Do you honestly believe that or are you trying to pull the wool over people's eyes? Some other McC*rthy fanboy here said -- last year -- that actually, he could have been coaching for the Browns but was told Kitchens had to be the OC and he did not agree to that.

Enough with the revisionist history, let's get with the facts:
1) He interviewed (with two different teams: NYJ and CLE -- where CLE had a FO that was already very familiar with him).
2) He did not get hired.

That's it. That's all we know, no further. Frankly, I can live with "He didn't get hired, and we don't know why not." I think I know why but I am perfectly able to admit I do not know for sure.

The ones who can't live with that are his FANBOYS because deep down they realize what the most likely explanation for that is, no matter how much they try to kid themselves. I mean you were in here on Page 1 with a "hilarious" post to ridicule any negativity against the guy before anyone even did that. Such insecurity, smh.

If you think I have some insane loyalty to Mike ******* McCarthy, I don't. Nobody is a MM fan boy, we're just just stark raving mad lunatics that hated everything he did and can't get over that we won't bend thy knee to tell you how smart all of you are. (Because you aren't, and you weren't.)

I made that stupid *** post because that's the stupid **** I had to listen to for years, you're the one melting the eff down over it then telling me I'm insecure. Projection with this kinda stuff is out of control sometimes.

"1) He interviewed (with two different teams: NYJ and CLE -- where CLE had a FO that was already very familiar with him)."

Did he though, because I wanna say that this actually is not true.

[Norm]

1 minute ago, Gopher Trace said:

As for being 'awfully quiet' ... well yeah, what is there to say? Should I have rubbed it into people's faces? I don't feel the need to convince others of anything like his fanboys do. The whole ordeal was vindication enough.

Him getting hired again does not really threaten my stance; I actually expected that to happen last year and was surprised it didn't. After all, the NFL has long proven that they value familiarity over competence. Meritocracy in our world is a myth and the NFL exemplifies it as well as any other industry. So I fully expect(ed) it.

I was not looking forward or planning to laugh about it if he gets passed up again, but NOW I ****in will.

Cool.

[Norm]

7 minutes ago, Gopher Trace said:

Enough with the revisionist history, let's get with the facts:
1) He interviewed (with two different teams: NYJ and CLE -- where CLE had a FO that was already very familiar with him).
2) He did not get hired.

That's it. That's all we know, no further.

GREEN BAY — Former Green Bay Packers Head Coach Mike McCarthy won’t be coaching in the NFL in 2019, according to ESPN’s Rob Demvosky.

According to ESPN, McCarthy, 55, said Wednesday, Jan. 9 he’s chosen to sit out the 2019 season — and he’ll be “locked and loaded and ready to go for next year.”

ESPN reports McCarthy pursued only one job, the New York Jets head coaching position, but sources told ESPN on Wednesday that the Jets were expected to hire Adam Gase to fill that position. McCarthy interviewed with the Jets last weekend but declined the chance to interview with the Browns.

So much for that bull****. I guess in one year he went from dog **** coach to interviewing for basically every job. Makes sense. No way that he and his family decided a year away would be a good idea factored into it.

Edited January 6, 2020 by Norm

[incognito_man]

36 minutes ago, pacman5252 said:

I don’t think MM is a big enough personality to productively clash with Jerry when it’s necessary. He’d be another Wade Phillips

Hm, think you underestimate how prideful MM is.

[Gopher Trace]

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

31 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

3. The idea that rushing attempts and snaps played are somehow deceptive is a point that I can't wrap my head around. What makes them "deceptive"

4. Was there anyone who wasn't advocating for McCarthy to be fired by the end? I think we were all to the point where we needed to do something different.

5. The argument that the "McCarthy Moderates" made was that McCarthy's offense wasn't the reason for the struggles. That we were struggling due to the QB play and the overall talent level of the offense. 

Well, new coach, new system, exact same results. If anything the McCarthy Moderates were vindicated. LaFleur's been lucky he's been able to ride a McCarthy Defensive Coordinator to a strong record.

6. Riding Aaron Jones hasn't lead to a more effective offense than what McCarthy was running here.

re: 3 -- I have a good memory. I remember vividly many fans wanting us to run Jones more.

Those conversations happened here. I know; I was there. Some even debated AGAINST doing that, saying that his body would not hold up if we did (*cough*INCOG) -!!

So when people act like there is no meaningful difference between how Jones has been used then and now... that's gaslighting, plain and simple. There's no accounting for situational football, and the difference in philosophical approach between these two coaches is clear as day. Or the fact that we run a lot more screens, jet-sweeps and such that are statistically passes but functionally running plays. It's clear that giving Jones touches if priority to this coach and that it was not to our last coach (who literally ran an Air Raid-type system).

There is a reason why people were clamoring for more Jones then and are not now, our lying eyes were telling the truth. So yes, miss me with the stats.

re: 4 -- by that point, it was so glaringly obvious that his defenders had to re-brand themselves. And yet...

re: 5 -- so his offense -isn't- the reason for the struggles... but uhh, we need to ~do something different! Totally not the mental-gymnastics of a defender or anything.

First of all the framing of that statement ("... wasn't the reason for the struggles.") is built for excusing him. No one thing is ever THE reason for a football team's struggles.

More to the point, if he or his offense wasn't "the" problem (or, more accurately, a significant part of the problem), then there is no need to "do something different" at the HC spot. Otherwise, you have to admit that he was (a significant part of) the problem. The irony here is that they always accuse others of defending Rodgers from all blame!! Like... take a look in the mirror, pal.

You were vindicated by this season?? Oh man, this is just getting sad. Let me guess, more stat reductionism -- points-per-game, offense and defense?

Yes, great, let's explain away everything with numbers with 0 regard for context, like how that defense may have benefitted from an offense controls the ball better/wins the TOP battle! 'Nothing quite as illuminating as looking at stats in a vacuum.

Edited January 6, 2020 by Gopher Trace
not sure where the spaces came from, can't fix it.

[Gopher Trace]

1 hour ago, Norm said:

GREEN BAY — Former Green Bay Packers Head Coach Mike McCarthy won’t be coaching in the NFL in 2019, according to ESPN’s Rob Demvosky.

According to ESPN, McCarthy, 55, said Wednesday, Jan. 9 he’s chosen to sit out the 2019 season — and he’ll be “locked and loaded and ready to go for next year.”

ESPN reports McCarthy pursued only one job, the New York Jets head coaching position, but sources told ESPN on Wednesday that the Jets were expected to hire Adam Gase to fill that position. McCarthy interviewed with the Jets last weekend but declined the chance to interview with the Browns.

So much for that bull****. I guess in one year he went from dog **** coach to interviewing for basically every job. Makes sense. No way that he and his family decided a year away would be a good idea factored into it.

 

Oh wow, he pursued the first position but not the second. You showed me!

[cannondale]

Why does it have to be black and white ? Fanboys vs Haters ? As usual that's rarely the case. Labeling someone as such just shows the weakness of your argument. I had no idea if MM should have been fired or not. I only said be careful what you wish for as the success rate of new HC's are horrible. I hope he gets another job because the man wants to work. I won't lose sleep over it if he doesn't because he has more money than I'll ever see. 

[TheOnlyThing]

1 hour ago, pacman5252 said:

I don’t think MM is a big enough personality to productively clash with Jerry when it’s necessary. 

Jerry Jones is not only the owner of the Cowboys he is also the club's GM.

And along with his son Stephen, Jerry controls every aspect of that organization.

Given that MM never uttered a dissenting word on how the former Packer GM went about building the Pack's roster during their time together in GB, one would think that Jerry would be thrilled about hiring another head coach who will never question how he conducts his business.

Edited January 6, 2020 by TheOnlyThing

[Gopher Trace]

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Norm said:

If you think I have some insane loyalty to Mike ******* McCarthy, I don't. Nobody is a MM fan boy, we're just just stark raving mad lunatics that hated everything he did and can't get over that we won't bend thy knee to tell you how smart all of you are. (Because you aren't, and you weren't.)

I made that stupid *** post because that's the stupid **** I had to listen to for years, you're the one melting the eff down over it then telling me I'm insecure. Projection with this kinda stuff is out of control sometimes.

"1) He interviewed (with two different teams: NYJ and CLE -- where CLE had a FO that was already very familiar with him)."

Did he though, because I wanna say that this actually is not true.

Anyone else seeing the irony of this post? No, just me?

Replying to your nonsense -- in my own, special way -- is not "melting the eff down." Just because I am more autistic than Outpost does not mean I am not 100%, completely calm while making these posts.

Oh yeah, you got me -- so wounded over people's opinions of me at a site I do not regularly visit! =(