MemphisEagles Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I wouldn't call Zampese a scapegoat per se, because his playcalling truly is awful. He deserved to be fired. But he certainly wasn't the only or biggest problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 7 hours ago, cddolphin said: ...is he now? He also believes Joey Harrington was a good QB talent and that Chip Kelly was a good NFL coach. If there is an Oregon connection, he will slobber over them..regardless of how terrible they actually are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footbull3196 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 1 hour ago, FourThreeMafia said: He also believes Joey Harrington was a good QB talent and that Chip Kelly was a good NFL coach. If there is an Oregon connection, he will slobber over them..regardless of how terrible they actually are. Eh, to be fair Kelly did engineer back to back 10 win seasons with Nick Foles and Mark Sanchez at QB. I wouldnt say he was as bad as some people say especially considering San francisco didn't even give him much of a real chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 16 minutes ago, footbull3196 said: Eh, to be fair Kelly did engineer back to back 10 win seasons with Nick Foles and Mark Sanchez at QB. I wouldnt say he was as bad as some people say especially considering San francisco didn't even give him much of a real chance I know....just razzing the guy because he is constantly pimping players/coaches simply because of their Oregon connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVillain112 Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 10 hours ago, MemphisEagles said: I wouldn't call Zampese a scapegoat per se, because his playcalling truly is awful. He deserved to be fired. But he certainly wasn't the only or biggest problem. I don't think the playcalling was truly awful but the tempo was. A lot of teams are just not in sync at times but they do something to change things up. Zampese just kept doing the same damn thing. If you re-watch Bengals games you'll see receivers open but Dalton is just not looking that way or the OLine collapses quickly or Dalton just misses a wide open receiver, so I can see why Zampese wanted to stay the course. But it wasn't going to get better. Sometimes change just for the sake of change can work, and I hope it does in this situation. The offense will still struggle unless Dalton can rebound. The OLine pretty much has zero hope, but we have a very good defense that's going un-noticed in all this, and a solid special teams unit. I wouldn't fully count this team out yet, especially when Burfict comes back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KManX89 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 2:30 PM, domepatrol91 said: Yeah no TDs in two games in an offense with that many weapons is totally unacceptable Especially at home. That said, that offense won't be fixed overnight, not with that OL and QB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaReylo Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Wow that was quick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INbengalfan Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 9:05 PM, The LBC said: By GM you mean Mike Brown, right? If so, that ought to be a rhetorical question. As to Zampese... And that's all I have to say about that. Unfortunately, our offense is like a box of chocolates. You never know which Andy you are going to get, and the defense knows the play better that our offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamcanadian Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 5:09 PM, Shanedorf said: OverTheCap weighs in on Dalton, the Bengals cap strategies and more https://overthecap.com/bengals-bench-andy-dalton "The Bengals are more or less in a tear it down phase. After four straight years of double digit wins and five straight playoff losses, the Bengals started to look slower and older last year. If you look at the changes on offense maybe its no surprise he is struggling. When you have a player like a Dalton that is more of a manager than a gunslinger you have to keep him surrounded with good talent. Last year they allowed Marvin Jones and Mohamed Sanu, his second and third wide receivers, to depart in free agency. This year they removed the faces up front when they let starting tackle Andrew Whitworth and starting guard Kevin Zeitler to sign elsewhere. The losses on an offensive line I don’t think can be overstated." This is an ownership issue. Brown is known for being cheap when it comes to retaining players/HC's and he will never pay a HC's salary to 2 people at the same time, so Marvin can only be fired if his contract is up. Cincy has fallen on hard times since Zimmer left to be HC in Minny. Zimmer was a top DC and he is missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamcanadian Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 17 hours ago, INbengalfan said: Unfortunately, our offense is like a box of chocolates. You never know which Andy you are going to get, and the defense knows the play better that our offense. Dalton has always been a limited QB who lacks arm strength and gets by on his intangibles. Brown, the owner, has simply let too many offensive players walk due to his cheapness and Dalton has always needed strong support around him to make up for his weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INbengalfan Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 7 hours ago, Iamcanadian said: Dalton has always been a limited QB who lacks arm strength and gets by on his intangibles. Brown, the owner, has simply let too many offensive players walk due to his cheapness and Dalton has always needed strong support around him to make up for his weaknesses. I agree with the sentiment, but Brown stopped being the cheap owner after he finally defeated the IRS in the estate tax mess after Paul Brown's passing. I agree that it was stupid to let Whitworth leave. But Brown was never going to set the new water mark for Guards on the open market, so Zeitler left. Some will say he let Jones and Sanu leave, but you can't pay those guys and AJ Green without finding yourself in a salary cap mess. And for that cheapness, he has re-signed AJ Green, Gio Bernard, Dalton, and Eifert (on the 5th year option now and franchise tag next year if they don't work something out) and Clint Boling. At least they had a plan for losing Whit and Andre Smith when they drafted Ogbuehi and Fisher. They have absolutely sucked so far, but there was a plan. It was also ridiculous to still roll with that plan this year based on how they played last year, but there's only so much cap to go around. They drafted replacements and signed a free agent at WR (LaFell, Boyd, Ross, Malone, Core, Erickson all added since Jones and Sanu left). They drafted Westerman to replace Zeitler, but Hopkins jumped in and seized the spot. they even re-signed Andre Smith to help bridge the gap until the draft, where I suspect we will invest heavily at OT and OC, plus a guard or two on day three. On defense, they have huge deals with geno Atkins, Carlos Dunlap, Michael Johnson (who isn't worth it), Vontaze Burfict, george Iloka, Dre Kirkpatrick, and Adam Jones. You can't pay them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 9:05 PM, The LBC said: As to Zampese... He's not just a scape goat. He was doing a terrible job. That RB rotation is awful. Give the most carries to the worst back, give the least touches to the best back. Game plan to get Alex Erickson and Brandon Lafell the ball when you have AJ Green and John Ross. Bench John Ross after one fumble to destroy his confidence. The list goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVillain112 Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 6 hours ago, theJ said: He's not just a scape goat. He was doing a terrible job. That RB rotation is awful. Give the most carries to the worst back, give the least touches to the best back. Game plan to get Alex Erickson and Brandon Lafell the ball when you have AJ Green and John Ross. Bench John Ross after one fumble to destroy his confidence. The list goes on. The one potential issue in all of this though, it's hard to tell from the outside if all of those decisions were up to Zampese. Or the next guy that will probably go in Marvin Lewis. We've done dumb stuff before offensively and on the personnel side. Most notably that I can recall is centralizing an offensive game plan in the Texans/Bengals playoff game (the 2nd one) that was featured around one Jermaine Gresham, who predictably dropped key passes. Regardless, this is a problem: https://www.cincyjungle.com/2017/9/18/16327800/nfl-week-2-bengals-snap-count-texans-favors-veterans-youth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I could see Cincy bouncing back offensively this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVillain112 Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 So Bill Lazor has been fantastic since taking over. It's like night and day with this offense. Was hesitant at first parsing him playing against a banged up Packers defense, and the Browns. But the Bills had a legit defense and the offense looked pretty good in a bad weather game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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