candyman93 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Brandon Bostick interview was kinda dope https://bleacherreport.com/post/hero-1/985eafed-f59a-4c1c-ba22-7652045132d2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 I remember back 10 minutes ago when I liked Candyman93 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 NBA star Kyle Lowry (probably) mocking Russell Wilson here. He didn't say it was Wilson, but it probably is. Just a note of context here: Lowry is from Philadelphia and this is after the Seahawks eliminated the Eagles from the postseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 21 hours ago, sloppyjoefeed said: Seahawks. The Packers are not your traditional 13-3 team. They have a ton of holes. I wouldn't say they have a "ton of holes", but you're right in saying that they are not your traditional 13 win team, as they are one of the worst 13 win teams of all-time. --Since the league went to 16 game seasons in '78, there have been 50 different teams with a 13-3 record and the Packers have the worst point differential of all of them with 63--with the '99 Titans coming in second at 68, and the next closest to them being the '99 Colts with 90. As it says here, https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff/2019 , the Packers were closer to a 10 win team who has got by with a lot of luck and help from the refs. --Their estimated wins are 9.9 vs their 13 wins, which means they overachieved....by a lot. And this showed in games as well. That's a 3.1 difference from the actual amount of wins. Their 3.1 difference is tied for the 17th highest difference of any playoff team since 1989 (along with the '16 Raiders and the Lions in '91. That said though, it wouldn't surprise me if they pull out the win against a beaten-up team (luck again) with the refs on their side again at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, JustAnotherFan said: I wouldn't say they have a "ton of holes", but you're right in saying that they are not your traditional 13 win team, as they are one of the worst 13 win teams of all-time. --Since the league went to 16 game seasons in '78, there have been 50 different teams with a 13-3 record and the Packers have the worst point differential of all of them with 63--with the '99 Titans coming in second at 68, and the next closest to them being the '99 Colts with 90. As it says here, https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff/2019 , the Packers were closer to a 10 win team who has got by with a lot of luck and help from the refs. --Their estimated wins are 9.9 vs their 13 wins, which means they overachieved....by a lot. And this showed in games as well. That's a 3.1 difference from the actual amount of wins. Their 3.1 difference is tied for the 17th highest difference of any playoff team since 1989 (along with the '16 Raiders and the Lions in '91. That said though, it wouldn't surprise me if they pull out the win against a beaten-up team (luck again) with the refs on their side again at home. No argument about your take on the Packers and how they oveachieved, altohugh the same can be said for the Seahawks. Of course I doubt they're the worst 11-5 team of all time because the sample is so much bigger, but like the Packers they have overachieved. Their estimated wins are 8.2 vs 11. Not far off from the Packers drop. Are both of these teams excellent at closing games? Lucky? Probably a bit of both, and I will be shocked if Sunday's matchup is anything but a close game decided on the final possession. Packers 23 Seahakws 20 Edited January 11, 2020 by RandyMossIsBoss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hburn Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: No argument about your take on the Packers and how they oveachieved, altohugh the same can be said for the Seahawks. Of course I doubt they're the worst 11-5 team of all time because the sample is so much bigger, but like the Packers they have overachieved. Their estimated wins are 8.2 vs 11. Not far off from the Packers drop. Are both of these teams excellent at closing games? Lucky? Probably a bit of both, and I will be shocked if Sunday's matchup is anything but a close game decided on the final possession. Packers 23 Seahakws 20 Yes both these teams are like long lost brothers, overachieved on the season and have much better records than they should Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 We may not be the most dominate 13-3 team in league history but good teams do find a way to win when they aren't playing their best... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 3 hours ago, JustAnotherFan said: I wouldn't say they have a "ton of holes", but you're right in saying that they are not your traditional 13 win team, as they are one of the worst 13 win teams of all-time. --Since the league went to 16 game seasons in '78, there have been 50 different teams with a 13-3 record and the Packers have the worst point differential of all of them with 63--with the '99 Titans coming in second at 68, and the next closest to them being the '99 Colts with 90. As it says here, https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff/2019 , the Packers were closer to a 10 win team who has got by with a lot of luck and help from the refs. --Their estimated wins are 9.9 vs their 13 wins, which means they overachieved....by a lot. And this showed in games as well. That's a 3.1 difference from the actual amount of wins. Their 3.1 difference is tied for the 17th highest difference of any playoff team since 1989 (along with the '16 Raiders and the Lions in '91. That said though, it wouldn't surprise me if they pull out the win against a beaten-up team (luck again) with the refs on their side again at home. Which is all well and good, except that the Seahawks have a point differential of +7. The Sehawks estimated wins are 8.2 and they ended up with 11, a disparity almost as bad. Plus they're way more injured. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sea/2019.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/2019.htm There's a ton of ground to talk about the Packers being overrated as a 13-3 team and potentially susceptible to upsets based on the analytics component of things, but that's not against the Seahawks who the analytics are just as shaky on if not more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 It's like nobody read the 538 article debunking this myth that GB lucked into wins lol Seattle's record is far more suspect than GB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: No argument about your take on the Packers and how they oveachieved, altohugh the same can be said for the Seahawks. I agree that the Seahawks were a mixed bag this year-- in large part because of their defense. However, they also had one of the highest amounts of significant injuries and played a tough schedule including 8 games against teams with 9 wins or more (3 away games), another 3 games against 7-8 win teams, and 5 different playoff teams. This also aligns with FO's schedule since they also played the 2nd hardest schedule in the league this year in DVOA (+4.8) -- which is tied for the 22nd most difficult among all 370 playoff teams since '89. Any team going 11-5 with a runner-up for MVP at QB while playing a schedule like that along with all the injuries is not exactly crazy thinking either. The Packers schedule ranked 17th in the league this year (-0.8), and middle of the pack among all playoff teams (167th). The Packers finished with a +7.7% in total DVOA which is the 2nd lowest DVOA of any 13-3 team only ahead of only the '99 Colts(+4.4%), and the 100th worst of any playoff team since 1989. 19 hours ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: Of course I doubt they're the worst 11-5 team of all time because the sample is so much bigger, Third worst in PD actually. Bottom 5: '03 CAR: +21 '14 ARI: +11 '19 SEA: +7 '04 ATL: +3 '12 IND: -30 The avg point differential among all playoff teams with 11 wins from 1989-2018 (79 teams) is 87 (-80 dif). Med avg is 89 (-82 dif). The avg point differential among all playoff teams with 13 wins from 1989-2018 (45 teams) is 153 (-90 dif). Med avg is 144 (-81 dif). The avg total DVOA among all playoff teams with 11 wins is +15.2%. The Seahawks finished with a +13.8% (45TH) 19 hours ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: Their estimated wins are 8.2 vs 11. Not far off from the Packers drop. Seahawks estimated wins are 10.9, not 8.2, which is far from the Packers +3.1. 19 hours ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: Are both of these teams excellent at closing games? Seattle's DVOA in close games (which is measured by all plays in the second half or overtime with the score within 8 points) was 3rd best in the league with a 27.6% rating behind DAL and TEN--44.5% and 29.0%, respectively. GB was ranked 15th with 3.2%. Anyhow, I was only commenting on how the Packers are one of the worst 13 win teams of all-time who got very lucky this year and not how they compare to the Seahawks. Besides, for the most part, I'm of the opinion that how well a team performs in the regular season has little bearing on how they will do in the post-season. As coaches and players always say....the playoffs are a new season. Edited January 12, 2020 by JustAnotherFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 17 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Which is all well and good, except that the Seahawks have a point differential of +7. The Sehawks estimated wins are 8.2 and they ended up with 11, a disparity almost as bad. Plus they're way more injured. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sea/2019.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/2019.htm There's a ton of ground to talk about the Packers being overrated as a 13-3 team and potentially susceptible to upsets based on the analytics component of things, but that's not against the Seahawks who the analytics are just as shaky on if not more. You're looking at PFR's metric, I was referring to FO'S.https://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/glossary#estimated_wins https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff/2019 I gave no opinion on the Seahawks or how this game will play out because none of that has anything to do with the main point that the Packers are one of the worst 13 win teams in history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split the Sticks Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: the Packers are one of the worst 13 win teams in history. the bottom line is, they're in the hunt. their record is 0-0 in the new season Edited January 12, 2020 by Split the Sticks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 with how the packers played late in the season, especially vs the Lions, I will have think this will be a close game anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 18 hours ago, Pugger said: We may not be the most dominate 13-3 team in league history but good teams do find a way to win when they aren't playing their best... Tell that to the Ravens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky_rams Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 I’m sure the Niners want the packers to win because of their recent success against them. And nobody wants to face DangeRuss in the playoffs i feel like the Seahawks win this 17-10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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