Oregon Ducks Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 I hope he changes everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, iknowcool said: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Happy to see that it'll survive. Or for now at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 I still don’t think this amounts to much. They aren’t going to be able to restart until 2022 at the earliest and I doubt a lot of the key players want to be involved again, nor do I think they will make the financial commitment Vince was supposed to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 3 hours ago, lancerman said: I still don’t think this amounts to much. They aren’t going to be able to restart until 2022 at the earliest and I doubt a lot of the key players want to be involved again, nor do I think they will make the financial commitment Vince was supposed to make. I just said it in the News thread - I could actually see an eight team XFL league create and maintain an NBA/NHL bubble. Will they? Highly unlikely. But you could swing it with eight teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 6 hours ago, ET80 said: I just said it in the News thread - I could actually see an eight team XFL league create and maintain an NBA/NHL bubble. Will they? Highly unlikely. But you could swing it with eight teams. You won’t get stadium revenue and the tv deals won’t be worth anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 hour ago, lancerman said: You won’t get stadium revenue and the tv deals won’t be worth anything Stadium revenue is already lost by just about every major sport. Don't believe the hype the NFL is selling, no fans will be able to attend games. TV deals shoud remain consistent to what they had during their last run... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, ET80 said: Stadium revenue is already lost by just about every major sport. Don't believe the hype the NFL is selling, no fans will be able to attend games. TV deals shoud remain consistent to what they had during their last run... TV deals might be even larger, if the NFL has to cancel. 8 team bubble is doable. 32 team bubble is not 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Just now, N4L said: TV deals might be even larger, if the NFL has to cancel. 8 team bubble is doable. 32 team bubble is not 8 team bubble based out of say, Atlanta wouldn't be doable with the current situation here, doing it in a city with a good control of the virus and a good set of stadiums is the right way to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 16 minutes ago, scar988 said: 8 team bubble based out of say, Atlanta wouldn't be doable with the current situation here, doing it in a city with a good control of the virus and a good set of stadiums is the right way to do it. Right, there arent a ton of places you could do this right now. Would need to be a place with the proper amount of hotels and stadiums, while also being a low infection area this would be for next spring though, ATL could potentially work out if things improve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, N4L said: Right, there arent a ton of places you could do this right now. Would need to be a place with the proper amount of hotels and stadiums, while also being a low infection area this would be for next spring though, ATL could potentially work out if things improve Honestly, doing XFL in Europe is the move to make. See if you can get some quarantine exceptions and bring guys over. IF guys go down, pull from the Euro gridiron leagues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 26 minutes ago, N4L said: Right, there arent a ton of places you could do this right now. Would need to be a place with the proper amount of hotels and stadiums, while also being a low infection area this would be for next spring though, ATL could potentially work out if things improve If we are conceding no fans, somewhere out in the breadbasket of america where there are multiple colleges with fields will do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 16 hours ago, ET80 said: Stadium revenue is already lost by just about every major sport. Don't believe the hype the NFL is selling, no fans will be able to attend games. TV deals shoud remain consistent to what they had during their last run... 1. No because they were one year deals so you have to re negotiate. Doubtful the league is around for the 2021 season so you have to renegotiate based on a league that didn’t finish the first contract and skipped at least a year and new people are involved. 2. The last tv contracts were worthless anyways. They were prove it deals to get television exposure cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, lancerman said: 1. No because they were one year deals so you have to re negotiate. Doubtful the league is around for the 2021 season so you have to renegotiate based on a league that didn’t finish the first contract and skipped at least a year and new people are involved Houston was re-upped beyond 2020: https://xflnewshub.com/xfl-news/report-houston-roughnecks-will-be-back-if-xfl-returns-in-2021/ Looks like St. Louis and Seattle were also part of this re-up. The intention was that a new owner would come in from the onset. Even the, in a bubble - you may need a single venue with two fields. Play two games Saturday, two games Sunday. So, take your pick of Houston, Seattle or St. Louis - the agreements are already in place. 1 hour ago, lancerman said: 2. The last tv contracts were worthless anyways. They were prove it deals to get television exposure cheap. Sure, and these would be too. Keep in mind, the league had set salaries for players, so it's not like you'd require a billion dollar TV deal to support a $190mm salary cap across 32 teams like the NFL does. XFL players averaged $55,000 a year - with a 57 man roster, you're looking at $3.135mm a team, $25.080mm max salary for all eight teams. (That's roughly what Teddy Bridgewater is making this season in Carolina, as much as DeMarcus Lawrence's signing bonus last season). Honestly, Dwayne Johnson could cover the salaries of every player with the proceeds from Jumanji: The Next Level ($23.5mm + percentage of the $931mm in ticket sales for The Rock in that one, so that wasn't a total joke - in fact, he probably has a wad of cash left over). That's probably the biggest and most important expense, and it's incredibly low. The production value is where the significant expenses are for the XFL, and in a hypothetical bubble (with one venue vs eight venues) you're reducing this by close to 88% (you're maybe picking up expenses creating and maintaining a bubble, but you're still very much in the red compared to pre-Covid deals). TV contracts could be for pennies on the dollar (which the networks would happily pay in a limited sports world - hell, ESPN is paying for Korean League Baseball right now). Any form of live football is going to get on TV, and get views. Ad space will sell, much like it did for the original run - and the Networks will get their cut from that. It's not going to cost much to get this going, and expenses are limited in comparison to other professional leagues. Networks will get their cut of the pie with live sports and ad revenue - so they're happy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, ET80 said: Houston was re-upped beyond 2020: https://xflnewshub.com/xfl-news/report-houston-roughnecks-will-be-back-if-xfl-returns-in-2021/ Looks like St. Louis and Seattle were also part of this re-up. The intention was that a new owner would come in from the onset. Even the, in a bubble - you may need a single venue with two fields. Play two games Saturday, two games Sunday. So, take your pick of Houston, Seattle or St. Louis - the agreements are already in place. Sure, and these would be too. Keep in mind, the league had set salaries for players, so it's not like you'd require a billion dollar TV deal to support a $190mm salary cap across 32 teams like the NFL does. XFL players averaged $55,000 a year - with a 57 man roster, you're looking at $3.135mm a team, $25.080mm max salary for all eight teams. (That's roughly what Teddy Bridgewater is making this season in Carolina, as much as DeMarcus Lawrence's signing bonus last season). Honestly, Dwayne Johnson could cover the salaries of every player with the proceeds from Jumanji: The Next Level ($23.5mm + percentage of the $931mm in ticket sales for The Rock in that one, so that wasn't a total joke - in fact, he probably has a wad of cash left over). That's probably the biggest and most important expense, and it's incredibly low. The production value is where the significant expenses are for the XFL, and in a hypothetical bubble (with one venue vs eight venues) you're reducing this by close to 88% (you're maybe picking up expenses creating and maintaining a bubble, but you're still very much in the red compared to pre-Covid deals). TV contracts could be for pennies on the dollar (which the networks would happily pay in a limited sports world - hell, ESPN is paying for Korean League Baseball right now). Any form of live football is going to get on TV, and get views. Ad space will sell, much like it did for the original run - and the Networks will get their cut from that. It's not going to cost much to get this going, and expenses are limited in comparison to other professional leagues. Networks will get their cut of the pie with live sports and ad revenue - so they're happy. I’m talking about tv contracts in the first part. Not stadiums. Not that it matters. The bankruptcy would have ended those deals. It’s effectively a clean slate. My point is they have to renegotiate prove it deals from a position where they failed last time and a big advantage to Vince was he used his own production company Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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