swede700 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, babababa said: The team isn't starting over -- just retooling. The youth movement is the retooling due to finances. You don't hit the panic button and blow it all up just because of ONLY A FEW issues when you just lost to the team that went to the Super Bowl. These issues can still be addressed. I don't see why the Vikings can't make the playoffs this year. This team still has a lot of good players. Plus, there's going to be an extra spot in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, JDBrocks said: Trifecta of stupidity: Extend your above average QB Trade away your best offensive player Extend an injury prone RB that plays one of the most replaceable positions If he's above average, why wouldn't you extend him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babababa Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, vikingsrule said: He should have been used less down the stretch in favor of Mattison. His efficiency numbers suggest he wasn’t very good in the second half off the year. He ran wild on some bad teams early on and was amazing week 2 against Green Bay, but I don’t know how you can’t be underwhelmed with consistently putting up below 4 YPC. You mean 4.5 ypc. You could cherry pick games all you want for any other skill player too, but don't rewrite the end of the day statistic to fit your spin. I don't know why your'e underwhelmed considering -- again #7 in yards from scrimmage while being asked to carry the ball as much as he was. Being slowed down in the 2nd half of the season while still rushing for 4.5 and #7 overall yards from scrimmage just goes to show how great he was for most of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, swede700 said: If he's above average, why wouldn't you extend him? We’re the Vikings man, we draft QBs better than Cousins ALL THE TIME. Remember?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, swede700 said: Plus, there's going to be an extra spot in the playoffs. Ugh...don't remind me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, babababa said: You mean 4.5 ypc. You could cherry pick games all you want for any other skill player too, but don't rewrite the end of the day statistic to fit your spin. I don't know why your'e underwhelmed considering -- again #7 in yards from scrimmage while being asked to carry the ball as much as he was. Being slowed down in the 2nd half of the season while still rushing for 4.5 and #7 overall yards from scrimmage just goes to show how great he was for most of the year. Every single game in November and December he was below 4 YPC. You cant have that fall off in efficiency if you expect to be a run oriented team. He averaged 5.8 in Sept, 4.9 in Oct, and 3.3 in both November and December. I’m sorry, but that is terrible. Edited March 17, 2020 by vikingsrule 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, vikingsrule said: Every single game in November and December he was below 4 YPC. You cant have that fall off in efficiency if you expect to be a run oriented team. He averaged 5.8 in Sept, 4.9 in Oct, and 3.3 in both November and December. I’m sorry, but that is terrible. Yeah he got banged up and wasn’t the same late in the season. SOS plays into that as well. Plus like I keep saying around here, our OL needs to step its game up. We got dominated late in the season up front. Especially against SF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, vikingsrule said: Every single game in November and December he was below 4 YPC. You cant have that fall off in efficiency if you expect to be a run oriented team. He averaged 5.8 in Sept, 4.9 in Oct, and 3.3 in both November and December. I’m sorry, but that is terrible. I agree with that, but also, the line as a whole was worse in November and December. I haven't done the review on the data, but I can't imagine the results from Mattison and Boone were all that different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I'd like to see what kind of deal that they are taking with cook. If it's cheap enough it wouldn't be a bad thing and he doesn't exactly have a lot of leverage. I'm guessing that won't be the case though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Duff Man said: Yeah he got banged up and wasn’t the same late in the season. SOS plays into that as well. Plus like I keep saying around here, our OL needs to step its game up. We got dominated late in the season up front. Especially against SF. Agreed on OL, but breaking the bank for a RB doesn’t fix the OL and I don’t know how the Vikes can afford to do so. SOS did play a role, which the numbers show the Vikes beating up on a number of bad teams and Cook having huge games. In games that mattered against good teams, he was knowwhere to be found, just like the rest of the offense. I have no issues letting Cook walk when his deal is up and letting Mattison be the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perrynoid Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Duff Man said: Yeah he got banged up and wasn’t the same late in the season. SOS plays into that as well. Plus like I keep saying around here, our OL needs to step its game up. We got dominated late in the season up front. Especially against SF. When we go to a 17 game schedule, how much more important is OL strength going to be to a RB's success? We really need to beef up our OL if we want not just a successful running attack, but passing attack as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, swede700 said: I agree with that, but also, the line as a whole was worse in November and December. I haven't done the review on the data, but I can't imagine the results from Mattison and Boone were all that different. Smaller sample size of course. Mattison is at 5.1 in Sept, 4.7 in Oct, 4.5 in Nov and 3.8 in Dec. but of course, smaller sample size might benefit him versus Cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, swede700 said: I agree with that, but also, the line as a whole was worse in November and December. I haven't done the review on the data, but I can't imagine the results from Mattison and Boone were all that different. If he's that dependent on the line, then get a great line, and don't pay the RB.......What year has Cook been good in Nov and Dec? Or even healthy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, perrynoid said: When we go to a 17 game schedule, how much more important is OL strength going to be to a RB's success? We really need to beef up our OL if we want not just a successful running attack, but passing attack as well. I think having a strong stable of RBs is the best way to go for a longer season. But of course, OL always helps. Edited March 17, 2020 by vikingsrule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, PrplChilPill said: If he's that dependent on the line, then get a great line, and don't pay the RB.......What year has Cook been good in Nov and Dec? Or even healthy? Last year was probably his first. I'm personally not on the side of extending him at this point, but I imagine they think they can get him cheaper now than if they were to try and do it after the year. I'm indifferent to the extension, even if it does happen. I'd only be upset if they consider paying him Johnson/Gurley/Elliott money. If you can get him on around $10M after this coming season, I'm okay with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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